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    Quote Originally Posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Shalom Eliyahu, maybe you just overlooked H4150 a little:

    Exo 40:2
    (2) On the first day of the first month shalt thou set up the tabernacle of the tent of the congregation (H4150).

    Exo 40:17
    (17) And it came to pass in the first month in the second year, on the first day of the month, that the tabernacle was reared up.

    How about that Eliyahu. The TENT of the APPOINTED TIME (H4150) was set up on the FIRST day of the FIRST month. Doesn't that ring some bells? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Ken, sorry, but the tent of congregation, means tent of Appointments, and does not refer to the first day of the first month as a Sabbath.

    See all of these texts on "congregation".

    http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...regation&t=KJV

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    Yes, but WHY?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eliyah View Post
    Ken, sorry, but the tent of congregation, means tent of Appointments, and does not refer to the first day of the first month as a Sabbath.

    See all of these texts on "congregation".

    http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...regation&t=KJV
    Shalom Eliyahu, yes, but WHY? Why make it a directive to establish the "tent of Appointments" on the FIRST day of the FIRST month? You don't see? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Shalom Eliyahu, yes, but WHY? Why make it a directive to establish the "tent of Appointments" on the FIRST day of the FIRST month? You don't see? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Ken, suppose you tell us?

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    Saturday was the first day of the week.

    IF you scroll down and look under the word WEEKS.

    Weeks

    The Romans grouped days into an eight-day cycle called a nundina, with every eighth day being a market day.

    Independent of the nundinae, astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day, followed by Sun-day, Moon-day, Mars-day, Mercury-day, Jupiter-day, and lastly Venus-day. Each astrological day was reckoned to begin at sunrise.

    See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien...of_measurement

    If you think that the pagan papal astrological week has cycled all the way back to creation, then you had better think again, and such statements are a religious lie.

    More info. here: http://lo-ammi.org/forum/showthread....6572#post26572

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    So the Children of Israel believed Saturn-day was the 1st day of the WEEK?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eliyah View Post
    IF you scroll down and look under the word WEEKS.

    Weeks

    The Romans grouped days into an eight-day cycle called a nundina, with every eighth day being a market day.

    Independent of the nundinae, astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day, followed by Sun-day, Moon-day, Mars-day, Mercury-day, Jupiter-day, and lastly Venus-day. Each astrological day was reckoned to begin at sunrise.

    See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien...of_measurement

    If you think that the pagan papal astrological week has cycled all the way back to creation, then you had better think again, and such statements are a religious lie.

    More info. here: http://lo-ammi.org/forum/showthread....6572#post26572
    Shalom Eliyahu, why not quote something that states the Jews or the Children of Israel believed Saturn-day was the 1st day of the WEEK? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Shalom Eliyahu, why not quote something that states the Jews or the Children of Israel believed Saturn-day was the 1st day of the WEEK? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Ken,

    Because the Jewish people of the first century never followed Rome's week, and that is evident by this quote below.

    Quote: The Romans grouped days into an eight-day cycle called a nundina, with every eighth day being a market day.

    Independent of the nundinae, astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day, followed by Sun-day, Moon-day, Mars-day, Mercury-day, Jupiter-day, and lastly Venus-day. Each astrological day was reckoned to begin at sunrise.

    The Jews also used a seven-day week, which began Saturday evening. The seventh day of the week they called Sabbath; the other days they numbered rather than named, except for Friday, which could be called either the Parasceve or the sixth day.

    astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day,

    The Jews also used a seven-day week, which began Saturday evening. The seventh day of the week they called Sabbath;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien...of_measurement

    The Jewish seventh day Sabbath corresponds to Rome's FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK which is Saturn.

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    So why don't you try to make a point that means something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eliyah View Post
    Ken,

    Because the Jewish people of the first century never followed Rome's week, and that is evident by this quote below.

    Quote: The Romans grouped days into an eight-day cycle called a nundina, with every eighth day being a market day.

    Independent of the nundinae, astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day, followed by Sun-day, Moon-day, Mars-day, Mercury-day, Jupiter-day, and lastly Venus-day. Each astrological day was reckoned to begin at sunrise.

    The Jews also used a seven-day week, which began Saturday evening. The seventh day of the week they called Sabbath; the other days they numbered rather than named, except for Friday, which could be called either the Parasceve or the sixth day.

    astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day,

    The Jews also used a seven-day week, which began Saturday evening. The seventh day of the week they called Sabbath;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien...of_measurement

    The Jewish seventh day Sabbath corresponds to Rome's FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK which is Saturn.
    Shalom Eliyahu, so why not give it a try to make a point that truly means something. All of your rambling about astrologers, hebdomada, nudina, and such means NOTHING. What matters is the last fact that you made, "The Jewish seventh day Sabbath corresponds to Rome's FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK which is Saturn." Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    Ken,

    Because the Jewish people of the first century never followed Rome's week, and that is evident by this quote below.

    Quote: The Romans grouped days into an eight-day cycle called a nundina, with every eighth day being a market day.

    Independent of the nundinae, astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day, followed by Sun-day, Moon-day, Mars-day, Mercury-day, Jupiter-day, and lastly Venus-day. Each astrological day was reckoned to begin at sunrise.

    The Jews also used a seven-day week, which began Saturday evening. The seventh day of the week they called Sabbath; the other days they numbered rather than named, except for Friday, which could be called either the Parasceve or the sixth day.

    astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day,

    The Jews also used a seven-day week, which began Saturday evening. The seventh day of the week they called Sabbath;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien...of_measurement

    The Jewish seventh day Sabbath corresponds to Rome's FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK which is Saturn.

    Ken, this above does NOT mean anything to you, because you want to hold on to your tradition.

    Then go read this book by Robert Leo Odom, he was not a lunar Sabbath observer, but he will verify the info. I have given.

    https://www.google.com/search?rls=co...Roman+Paganism

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    What matters!

    Quote Originally Posted by Eliyah View Post
    Ken,

    Because the Jewish people of the first century never followed Rome's week, and that is evident by this quote below.

    Quote: The Romans grouped days into an eight-day cycle called a nundina, with every eighth day being a market day.

    Independent of the nundinae, astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day, followed by Sun-day, Moon-day, Mars-day, Mercury-day, Jupiter-day, and lastly Venus-day. Each astrological day was reckoned to begin at sunrise.

    The Jews also used a seven-day week, which began Saturday evening. The seventh day of the week they called Sabbath; the other days they numbered rather than named, except for Friday, which could be called either the Parasceve or the sixth day.

    astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day,

    The Jews also used a seven-day week, which began Saturday evening. The seventh day of the week they called Sabbath;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien...of_measurement

    The Jewish seventh day Sabbath corresponds to Rome's FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK which is Saturn.

    Ken, this above does NOT mean anything to you, because you want to hold on to your tradition.

    Then go read this book by Robert Leo Odom, he was not a lunar Sabbath observer, but he will verify the info. I have given.

    https://www.google.com/search?rls=co...Roman+Paganism
    Shalom Eliyahu, it doesn't matter that there is an 8 day week called the nundina/nundinae. What matters is that the Jews had a 7th day Sabbath that corresponded to a saturns-day, and for this to happen, some how, some way, there was a saturns-day, every seven days. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Shalom Eliyahu, it doesn't matter that there is an 8 day week called the nundina/nundinae. What matters is that the Jews had a 7th day Sabbath that corresponded to a saturns-day, and for this to happen, some how, some way, there was a saturns-day, every seven days. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Old buddy, all of historical evidence that I have given shows that the Jewish seventh day corresponds to the Roman's first day of the week in the first century, and your afraid to go read the truth in the books I have provided, they are historians, they have no religious axe to grind.

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    I'm in total agreement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eliyah View Post
    Old buddy, all of historical evidence that I have given shows that the Jewish seventh day corresponds to the Roman's first day of the week in the first century, and your afraid to go read the truth in the books I have provided, they are historians, they have no religious axe to grind.
    Shalom Eliyahu, you're beating a dead horse. I'm in total agreement. The Jewish Seventh Day Sabbath corresponds to the Roman's first day of the week. Case closed! No further debate needed. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    The Calendar you use determines whom you worship-=Satur-day.

    The Calendar you use determines whom you worship.

    Behind all Pagan deity worship stands Satan himself. He accepts honor in whatever name we wish to call him; Baal, Moloch, Marduk, Venus, Odin, Krishna, Aphrodite, Ishtar, Zeus, Amon-Ra, Mithras, Ahura-Mazda, Dagon -- male or female, it matters not. The most important day in the life of any satan worshipper is their annual birthday. For roughly 4,000 years, the SOLSTICE has been -- by proxy -- the day of Satan's birthday celebration (because he is the designer of the original astrological religious pattern), and deceived mankind to cause them to worship the sun.

    Nimrod, grandson of Noah, son of Cush, was the real founder of the Babylonian system that has gripped the world ever since. Nimrod built the tower of Babel, the original Babylon, ancient Nineveh, and many other cities. He organized this world's first kingdom. The name Nimrod, in Hebrew, maybe derived from "Marad' meaning, "he rebelled." (Gen. 10: 6,8-12)

    Nimrod was known as the god of the Chaldean Mysteries. In the Chaldean mysteries, the Babylonian dictator Nimrod was deified as Saturn. Satan and Saturn are the same words, one 'Early Latin', and the other 'Late Latin'... His birthday was celebrated on December 25th or the Saturnalia. Saturn and Mystery are both chaldean words, and they are correlative terms. As Mystery signifies the hidden system, so Saturn signifies the hidden god.*

    Saturn in Chaldee is pronounced Satur, but as every Chaldee scholar knows, it consists only of four letters, thus-STUR. This name contains exactly the Apocalyptic number 666:--
    S=060
    T=400
    U=006
    R=200
    ---------
    666
    Read the entire article here: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Hebrew...n%27s_Birthday

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    Back to the top.

    Back to the top.
    A bit of revelation for ye.

    Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

    Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. John 8:19.

    By His name YAH Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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