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    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    there was millions of pew people trapped UNDER ARMSTRONGISM, and his bewitching tactics.... ''A MALE WITCH put a spell upon them'' [ paraphrased]
    he was an EXPERT AT twisted scriptures and the poor lambs, got fleeced in more ways than one.

    go look at the EX - ARMSTRONGISM sites to find out the terrible things millions of these poor people suffered - mentally under his ministry.... it is shocking the harm he did.
    and the boys try to harm us... but it fails.

    so our boys need JESUS AND HIS DELIVERING SPIRIT fast........
    You know Lucy, I do preach and teach the good news of Yah's Kingdom, but I'm also commanded to warn others in this evil age too, and I cannot help it, if people don't like it, nor believe and accept it.

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    i tell u this truth Elijah

    there are a billion people like our Boys.
    THE CHURCHED
    all have a different creed and ''take'' on the gospel.

    Yes I think for the most part they are SINcere.... but all die IN SIN.

    once indoctrination happens UNLESS JESUS CALLS AND RE PROGRAMMES THEM - they are dead ducks.
    but LIKE THE MATRIX says most don't wished to be UNPLUGGED.
    THE BROWN BOYS ARE PLUGGED IN and cannot see the terrible effect it has and is having upon their lives.


    RE - LIGIOUS. you have to be divinely made to TURN AWY FROM IT,.

    Jesus a yet as not acted to UNPLUG THEM.

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    so MOVING ON to more interesting thoughts......... THE question is...............

    did Apostle JOHN write all of the booK of revelation
    or
    was It HIGHJACKED and then corrupted by a freemason masonic NWO agenda in the distant past = so that modern technology could ran rampant to the Orwellian plot?
    1984 etc
    that is the question~~~~
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKycRuWnnO4

    can you think clearly? or is the power of bible indoctrinates OF THE ''LAST DAYS'' to strong..............
    IT HAS TO BE REMEMBERED the last days WAS ADVANCED 2000YRS ago...
    is there proof ofcourse

    John 2:18
    Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. ;
    (Apostle John, 1 John 2:18, First Century)

    The NT writings contain words speaking of the "last days" and the "last times" in such a tone that reveals the writers' beliefs were that they lived in those last days.
    Anyone today can see this opinion held by the Apostles in their writings, as ''the last days'' was their time 2000yrs ago!!


    '''NEO CLEAR YOUR MIND'''.~~~~~
    now is your mind cleared Neo? or still in the mists of church religions.


    so if we be a spiritual truthseeker and detective of the truth we find.....
    *They were referring to the last days of something else.

    ah ah~~~~ u didn't know that did you~~~~An age was coming to a close.
    what happened
    The Messiah had come,
    Jesus predicted that in that generation the temple would be destroyed and the city Jerusalem would be demolished.
    True to His word, the temple was destroyed by the time 70 AD rolled around, and the city of Jerusalem was completely obliterated.
    He listed signs of earthquakes and pestilences and persecution and Christian martyrdom in Matthew 24.
    He listed the same persecution in Matthew 23 and noted there that the disciples would flee from city to city amidst such hardships.
    This is absolutely fulfilled

    It is clear that the LAST DAYS stretched from Pentecost to Holocaust in 70 AD.
    One generation.
    According to the disciples and Apostles, the last days referred to the timeframe between Christ's cross and the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD.

    wake up NEO....

    *The key passage in determining the meaning of the "Last Days" is Matthew 24, the Olivet Discourse and the coming of Christ is TO BE IN YOU~~~

    THE COMING OF CHRIST means = to become his temple HERE.
    This enchristed person is His temple and this person dwells in VICTORIOUS LIFE ABUNDANT... as a testimony to their born again identity
    If you gaze into the 3 posters Spying Elijah IAH and view their comments and tragic lifestyles you can clearly see, they REMAIN VICTIMS.... of a religious defeated culture = always in want and lack, chaos ruling and carnality loved and admired.
    VICTIMS OF A CHURCHED MENTALITY~~~~
    Millions of nice churched people are like these 3 men, all thinking they are right in their own eyes... IF SO.... WHY REMAIN A VICTIM of evil.

    Don't they ever think '' something must be wrong'' NO.... they are continually fed the religious VICTIM's PILL for breaky..

    Yeshua NEVER PROMISED A LIFE OF VICTIMAZATION but one of A VICTORIOUS KING [ Small ''k''] walking with '' the keys'' to His kingdom.

    THESE MEN ALL ALL DIVISIONAL CHURCHED MEN, ''THINK AM RIGHT'' AND DIE IN SIN..

    very few find the elusive ZOE eternal life.
    the rest find...a waiting room for transients....
    Last edited by LucySmith; 08-12-2017 at 11:22 PM.

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    a minority ''report''

    the last days ACCORDING TO JESUS [only]

    the time and nature of 1000yrs reign
    the anti Christ.

    a crisis = a serious one = Is the question of credibility of the bible itself
    * what Jesus taught on ''the last things''.

    the point overlooked, is the CREDIBALITY OF JESUS HIMSELF.
    * it did not come to pass in the time frame He said = this reduces Jesus to a false prophet,- is this so?
    * Jesus certainly thought and taught that His 2nd coming in clouds of glory was for that generation [restricted to the 1st century] - is that so?
    * Math 10 v 23 = till the son of Man come = how long did it take to tell the gospel to spread across Israel.
    * ''There are some standing here [ people listening] well not taste death till the son of man come into His kingdom'' = is this so?
    * Mark 13 v 30 = Saying '' this generation will by no means pass away till all of these things come to pass'', = is this so?
    there are a host of verses that gives a sense of urgency on the ''coming of christ''~~~

    in the book of revelation = that speak about those things that ''SHORTLY MUST COME TO PASS'' - is this so?
    [ shortly is not 2000yrs]
    In the early church HAD THIS URGENT EXPECTATION = as time passed certain ''adjustments'' occurred in the NT,

    is there an explanation?

    for the last 200+ years - there has been a ''progressive evolution'' - into - an historical bible school
    - so a crisis was produced, as millions of $ were invested into building programmes = so the churches had to revise Christianity to make it worth while and to re-define Jesus teaching.
    a social gospel became to vogue = this made a tremendous impact, on the church world.
    it ''gospel'' opens all types of disagreements.

    now to the ''timing''
    ''the olivet discorse'' - '' tell us when these things be,''
    Mark 13 - the temple - ''not 1 stone shall be left upon another'' = was this so?
    this was fulfilled. YES - 70ad.
    destruction of the Jews who were sent into all parts of the world as slaves.
    Jesus produced prophecy the Jew thought impossible.

    what will be the SIGN [ THE CHURCH CALLS IT THE SIGN OF THE TIMES ]
    = JESUS is answering a pacific question for a particular time for a particular generation. Did this prophecy occur to that generation = YES = just like Jesus said.
    when you see all these things taking place [ to that 1st generation of believers] = flee which the elect did this great tribulation came upon the jewish state in the 1st century just as JESUS said.

    notice

    Jesus INCLUDES HIS COMING in the text....each event is for the 1st generation believer. NONE OF THIS WAS 2000+ yrs in the future as the church would tell us.
    the end of the age = is the END OF THE JEWISH SYSTEM. [ the time frame was ''when will these things take place''] -

    * literal = the temple and the Jews were destroyed = yes they happened.=LITERAL
    SIGNS
    now for the signs? - literal.
    *the gospel to all nations? I,E, ''the gospel had been preached to the 'known world'' of that day prior to 70ad according to Acts] LITERAL
    *what is meant by the end of the AGE? = The end of the Jewish Age = a moment of separation from the law to the new creation = LITERAL
    *the signs in the heavens? = Visible signs - aka -catastrophic signs ? = the prophets in the OT used graphic imagery for divine judgment of a catastrophic judgement on a city/nation =FIGURATIVELY..... YET????
    See, the day of the Lord is coming
    ****—a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger—
    to make the land desolate
    ****and destroy the sinners within it.
    10*
    The stars of heaven and their constellations
    ****will not show their light.
    The rising sun will be darkened
    ****and the moon will not give its light.
    11*
    I will punish the world for its evil,
    ****the wicked for their sins.
    LITERALLY FILFILLED.

    * THIS GENERATION
    this generation will not pass away = till this prophecy is fulfilled.= LITERAL.
    Jerusalem was destroyed in THAT GENERATION = LITERAL.

    NEXT
    There is one question that seems to be overlooked in our search for signs of the end-times:
    When was the book of Revelation written?
    truth seekers found out - the importance of properly dating the book of Revelation as we seek to understand the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D.
    the time setting.
    the majority say it was written in 90ad+ making it well after the tribulation in 70ad Jesus spake of.
    is this so?
    well it would make it extremely unlikely the Book of Revelation refers to 70ad.... if written in 90ad+
    then question asked is what if it wasn't written in 90+ad but written BEFORE THE FALL of Jerusalem~~~~~this book would make sense to the immediate believers prior to 70ad.?????
    a minority of bible scholars place the writing in the mid 60s ad...
    we have to face, external evidence and internal evidence, that give clues.
    so
    begin at the beginning for time slot,
    SHORTLY = is the time zone.
    over and over is the theme of NEARNESS.
    a short time zone is our evidence to the truth,
    the writer goes on to describe ROME and her ''kings''. 5 are fallen 1 is and one not yet come = this book was written at the time of the 6th king.dated~~~~who is this 6th king?

    cont

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    Lucy, please explain.

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    the last days ACCORDING TO JESUS [only]

    the time and nature of 1000yrs reign
    the anti Christ.

    a crisis = a serious one = Is the question of credibility of the bible itself
    * what Jesus taught on ''the last things''.

    the point overlooked, is the CREDIBALITY OF JESUS HIMSELF.
    * it did not come to pass in the time frame He said = this reduces Jesus to a false prophet,- is this so?
    * Jesus certainly thought and taught that His 2nd coming in clouds of glory was for that generation [restricted to the 1st century] - is that so?
    * Math 10 v 23 = till the son of Man come = how long did it take to tell the gospel to spread across Israel.
    * ''There are some standing here [ people listening] well not taste death till the son of man come into His kingdom'' = is this so?
    * Mark 13 v 30 = Saying '' this generation will by no means pass away till all of these things come to pass'', = is this so?
    there are a host of verses that gives a sense of urgency on the ''coming of christ''~~~

    in the book of revelation = that speak about those things that ''SHORTLY MUST COME TO PASS'' - is this so?
    [ shortly is not 2000yrs]
    In the early church HAD THIS URGENT EXPECTATION = as time passed certain ''adjustments'' occurred in the NT,

    is there an explanation?

    for the last 200+ years - there has been a ''progressive evolution'' - into - an historical bible school
    - so a crisis was produced, as millions of $ were invested into building programmes = so the churches had to revise Christianity to make it worth while and to re-define Jesus teaching.
    a social gospel became to vogue = this made a tremendous impact, on the church world.
    it ''gospel'' opens all types of disagreements.

    now to the ''timing''
    ''the olivet discorse'' - '' tell us when these things be,''
    Mark 13 - the temple - ''not 1 stone shall be left upon another'' = was this so?
    this was fulfilled. YES - 70ad.
    destruction of the Jews who were sent into all parts of the world as slaves.
    Jesus produced prophecy the Jew thought impossible.

    what will be the SIGN [ THE CHURCH CALLS IT THE SIGN OF THE TIMES ]
    = JESUS is answering a pacific question for a particular time for a particular generation. Did this prophecy occur to that generation = YES = just like Jesus said.
    when you see all these things taking place [ to that 1st generation of believers] = flee which the elect did this great tribulation came upon the jewish state in the 1st century just as JESUS said.

    notice

    Jesus INCLUDES HIS COMING in the text....each event is for the 1st generation believer. NONE OF THIS WAS 2000+ yrs in the future as the church would tell us.
    the end of the age = is the END OF THE JEWISH SYSTEM. [ the time frame was ''when will these things take place''] -

    * literal = the temple and the Jews were destroyed = yes they happened.=LITERAL
    SIGNS
    now for the signs? - literal.
    *the gospel to all nations? I,E, ''the gospel had been preached to the 'known world'' of that day prior to 70ad according to Acts] LITERAL
    *what is meant by the end of the AGE? = The end of the Jewish Age = a moment of separation from the law to the new creation = LITERAL
    *the signs in the heavens? = Visible signs - aka -catastrophic signs ? = the prophets in the OT used graphic imagery for divine judgment of a catastrophic judgement on a city/nation =FIGURATIVELY..... YET????
    LITERALLY FILFILLED.

    * THIS GENERATION
    this generation will not pass away = till this prophecy is fulfilled.= LITERAL.
    Jerusalem was destroyed in THAT GENERATION = LITERAL.

    NEXT
    There is one question that seems to be overlooked in our search for signs of the end-times:
    When was the book of Revelation written?
    truth seekers found out - the importance of properly dating the book of Revelation as we seek to understand the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D.
    the time setting.
    the majority say it was written in 90ad+ making it well after the tribulation in 70ad Jesus spake of.
    is this so?
    well it would make it extremely unlikely the Book of Revelation refers to 70ad.... if written in 90ad+
    then question asked is what if it wasn't written in 90+ad but written BEFORE THE FALL of Jerusalem~~~~~this book would make sense to the immediate believers prior to 70ad.?????
    a minority of bible scholars place the writing in the mid 60s ad...
    we have to face, external evidence and internal evidence, that give clues.
    so
    begin at the beginning for time slot,
    SHORTLY = is the time zone.
    over and over is the theme of NEARNESS.
    a short time zone is our evidence to the truth,
    the writer goes on to describe ROME and her ''kings''. 5 are fallen 1 is and one not yet come = this book was written at the time of the 6th king.dated~~~~who is this 6th king?

    cont
    Hi Lucy, you seem to be able to go into extreme detail in teaching us things YOU believe, yet you only just pick and choose certain words from the Scriptures to use in teaching us. Take for example. In Luke 21:20-36, Yeshua tells us about the destruction of Jerusalem, His Coming, the Lesson of the Fig Tree, and a warning to WATCH. In these verses, it speaks of men's hearts "failing" them, and I assume you feel that was the hearts of those Jews who were living in Jerusalem during 70 ad??? Yeshua then tells them that WHEN these thing BEGIN to come to pass, LOOK UP, LIFT UP YOUR HEADS, for YOUR redemption draweth nigh. Was He referring to all of those wicked Jews you feel were getting their just reward of total destruction in 70 ad, or was He referring to someone else who's REDEMPTION draweth nigh? Ken

    Luk 21:20-36
    (20) And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
    (21) Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
    (22) For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
    (23) But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
    (24) And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
    (25) And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
    (26) Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
    (27) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
    (28) And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
    (29) And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
    (30) When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
    (31) So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of Elohim is nigh at hand.
    (32) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
    (33) Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
    (34) And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
    (35) For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
    (36) Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.


    P.S. Lucy, WHEN does the redemption take place. I'll give you three choices. Before 70 ad, right at 70 ad, after 70 ad???
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah determines those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses. So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    Thumbs down Continued, The Seed Of HaSatan!

    Hi Lucy,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    It is my desire to continue to comment on these words of Lucy which she posted in her post #678 on page 46 of this Thread. My comments shall be in maroon:

    "Jesus said '' I AM THE RESURRECTION,''
    for the truth


    John said "Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world".
    Did He do it?


    Ab: In a certain spiritual sense, all sin ended with the suffering and death of Yahushua. Please recall that this Lamb according to the revelation given to the Apostle John was slain from the foundation of the Cosmos (see Revelation 13:8). Of course, Messiah Yahushua refers to this event as a murder when HE calls HaSatan a murderer from (the) Beginning (see John 8:44). This Beginning is the same Beginning stated by Moses in Genesis 1:1. So, Everyone, this murder of the unsuspecting ELOHIM goes way back in time. I spoke of the issues surrounding this murder in my last post. When the Lamb was murdered, the whole universe lost its integrity or cohesion. You see, at one time, the whole physical universe was inhabited by the ELOHIM in much the same manner in which we inhabit our physical bodies. As long as we have our health, we have control over our physical bodies. Physical control is lost through disease. When HaSatan murdered the Lamb, HaSatan introduced the disease of sin into the ELOHIM, and as a consequence, the ELOHIM lost complete control over there habitation, that is, the whole physical creation (see Romans 8:19-21). When the Lamb was murdered, the dead body of the Lamb, that is, the whole physical universe, was subjected to the process of decay, and the universe began to expand through the loss of cohesion or unity.

    This subjection to dissipation was very telling on our Earth. This is why the Earth is found totally destroyed in Genesis 1:2. I sometimes wonder if the Earth at that time was a black hole. The renewal of the Earth found later in Genesis 1 actually speaks concerning the renewal of the whole universe which has already commenced with the Resurrection of Messiah Yahushua should you have the eyes to see it. The physical universe is no longer expanding. The universe is now coming back together. Some might think of this coming together again as a collapse. This event cannot be seen through our human observation, but it is nonetheless occurring, and this coming together of the universe has tremendous implications for our Earth (see Luke 21:25-26, Matthew 24:21-22).

    Here is how I look upon these things. The Earth is the favorite place of the ELOHIM. It is the very heart of THEIR universe as far as THEY are concerned, and THEY have set in motion to give THEIR favorite place to Abraham and to his Seed as their inheritance. Think about it! I mean, really think about it! How in all the world can mere men inherit from the ELOHIM? This is what men and women do about inheritance in this our world. They normally, and this includes, Lucy, do give their inheritance to their children. Now, many will give of their wealth to their pet projects, but for the most part parents do give to their children an inheritance. This did not happen with me. My earthly Father disinherited me in his will. At first I found this to be very hurtful, but as time grew on, I began to understand that my Dad was merely saying that I had already been given enough. Listen up folks, I was baptized on Pearl Harbor Day, December 7, 1977. I have been spying out the Land, the inheritance, ever since. This December 7, 2017 will be forty years. What do you think that I have observed in 40 years? I will testify to all that My Messiah Yahushua did unite all of mankind, past, present, and future in HIS death according to the fulfillment of the Law. When Messiah died, all of mankind died. This is the truth.

    Now, Lucy, you have opportunity here to deny this truth. What say you, did all of mankind really die with Messiah Yahushua in HIS suffering and death?


    Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
    Sincerely, Latuwr
    The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    did Apostle JOHN write all of the booK of revelation
    or
    was It HIGHJACKED and then corrupted by a freemason masonic NWO agenda in the distant past = so that modern technology could ran rampant to the Orwellian plot?
    1984 etc
    that is the question~~~~
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKycRuWnnO4

    can you think clearly? or is the power of bible indoctrinates OF THE ''LAST DAYS'' to strong..............
    IT HAS TO BE REMEMBERED the last days WAS ADVANCED 2000YRS ago...
    is there proof ofcourse

    John 2:18
    (Apostle John, 1 John 2:18, First Century)

    The NT writings contain words speaking of the "last days" and the "last times" in such a tone that reveals the writers' beliefs were that they lived in those last days.
    Anyone today can see this opinion held by the Apostles in their writings, as ''the last days'' was their time 2000yrs ago!!


    '''NEO CLEAR YOUR MIND'''.~~~~~
    now is your mind cleared Neo? or still in the mists of church religions.


    so if we be a spiritual truthseeker and detective of the truth we find.....
    *They were referring to the last days of something else.

    ah ah~~~~ u didn't know that did you~~~~An age was coming to a close.
    what happened
    The Messiah had come,
    Jesus predicted that in that generation the temple would be destroyed and the city Jerusalem would be demolished.
    True to His word, the temple was destroyed by the time 70 AD rolled around, and the city of Jerusalem was completely obliterated.
    He listed signs of earthquakes and pestilences and persecution and Christian martyrdom in Matthew 24.
    He listed the same persecution in Matthew 23 and noted there that the disciples would flee from city to city amidst such hardships.
    This is absolutely fulfilled

    It is clear that the LAST DAYS stretched from Pentecost to Holocaust in 70 AD.
    One generation.
    According to the disciples and Apostles, the last days referred to the timeframe between Christ's cross and the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD.

    wake up NEO....

    *The key passage in determining the meaning of the "Last Days" is Matthew 24, the Olivet Discourse and the coming of Christ is TO BE IN YOU~~~

    THE COMING OF CHRIST means = to become his temple HERE.
    This enchristed person is His temple and this person dwells in VICTORIOUS LIFE ABUNDANT... as a testimony to their born again identity
    If you gaze into the 3 posters Spying Elijah IAH and view their comments and tragic lifestyles you can clearly see, they REMAIN VICTIMS.... of a religious defeated culture = always in want and lack, chaos ruling and carnality loved and admired.
    VICTIMS OF A CHURCHED MENTALITY~~~~
    Millions of nice churched people are like these 3 men, all thinking they are right in their own eyes... IF SO.... WHY REMAIN A VICTIM of evil.

    Don't they ever think '' something must be wrong'' NO.... they are continually fed the religious VICTIM's PILL for breaky..

    Yeshua NEVER PROMISED A LIFE OF VICTIMAZATION but one of A VICTORIOUS KING [ Small ''k''] walking with '' the keys'' to His kingdom.

    THESE MEN ALL ALL DIVISIONAL CHURCHED MEN, ''THINK AM RIGHT'' AND DIE IN SIN..

    very few find the elusive ZOE eternal life.
    the rest find...a waiting room for transients....
    Lucy,

    You said and wrote:

    If you gaze into the 3 posters Spying Elijah IAH and view their comments and tragic lifestyles you can clearly see, they REMAIN VICTIMS.... of a religious defeated culture = always in want and lack, chaos ruling and carnality loved and admired.
    Lucy, here you go again with your lies and false accusations.

    Well Messiah Himself and the scriptures say and prove otherwise than your prosperity theology.

    And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Luke 22:35; Mark 6:8; Luke 10:4.

    http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...ia=purse&t=KJV

    The idols of the heathen are silver and gold, the work of men's hands. Psalms 135:15; Psalms 115:4.

    Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. Acts 3:6.

    http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...and+gold&t=KJV

    For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man/person to enter into the kingdom of God. Luke 18:25.

    Hearken(Listen), my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

    But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men/persons oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? James 2:5-6.

    I ask you Lucy, how can you claim to NOT have anything, and also claim that you do, and do you want to tell us that nonsense again too?

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    Lucy,

    You said and wrote:

    Lucy, here you go again with your lies and false accusations.

    Well Messiah Himself and the scriptures say and prove otherwise than your prosperity theology.

    And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Luke 22:35; Mark 6:8; Luke 10:4.

    http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...ia=purse&t=KJV

    The idols of the heathen are silver and gold, the work of men's hands. Psalms 135:15; Psalms 115:4.

    Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. Acts 3:6.

    http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...and+gold&t=KJV

    For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man/person to enter into the kingdom of God. Luke 18:25.

    Hearken(Listen), my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

    But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men/persons oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? James 2:5-6.

    I ask you Lucy, how can you claim to NOT have anything, and also claim that you do, and do you want to tell us that nonsense again too?
    --------------------------------------------------------

    The scriptures have a lot to say about these things, and the prosperity preachers and teachers do not want you to know them, because they are filling their bank accounts with your money.

    They will say quote: Sow that seed of faith(meaning send them your money) unquote.

    The scriptures say, to sow the seed of the Word, Messiah and the scriptures.

    There is also the teaching, that the Heavenly Father will not let His faith followers suffer anything at all, and that is a LIE too.

    Well, John the Baptist had his head cut off Mark 6:24-27.

    Stephen was stoned to death Acts 7:59.

    The apostle Paul was bitten by a venomous snake Acts 28:3-6.

    We have such venomous snakes here, one is called a copperhead, I've been bitten twice, and never went to the hospital, however, most people will die from their bite, if they do not go.

    See here for these viper family snakes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agkistrodon_contortrix

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    Lucy,

    You said and wrote:

    Lucy, here you go again with your lies and false accusations.

    Well Messiah Himself and the scriptures say and prove otherwise than your prosperity theology.

    And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Luke 22:35; Mark 6:8; Luke 10:4.

    http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...ia=purse&t=KJV

    The idols of the heathen are silver and gold, the work of men's hands. Psalms 135:15; Psalms 115:4.

    Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. Acts 3:6.

    http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...and+gold&t=KJV

    For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man/person to enter into the kingdom of God. Luke 18:25.

    Hearken(Listen), my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

    But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men/persons oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? James 2:5-6.

    I ask you Lucy, how can you claim to NOT have anything, and also claim that you do, and do you want to tell us that nonsense again too?
    --------------------------------------------------------

    The scriptures have a lot to say about these things, and the prosperity preachers and teachers do not want you to know them, because they are filling their bank accounts with your money.

    They will say quote: Sow that seed of faith(meaning send them your money) unquote.

    The scriptures say, to sow the seed of the Word, Messiah and the scriptures.

    There is also the teaching, that the Heavenly Father will not let His faith followers suffer anything at all, and that is a LIE too.

    Well, John the Baptist had his head cut off Mark 6:24-27.

    Stephen was stoned to death Acts 7:59.

    The apostle Paul was bitten by a venomous snake Acts 28:3-6.

    We have such venomous snakes here, one is called a copperhead, I've been bitten twice, and never went to the hospital, however, most people will die from their bite, if they do not go.

    See here for these viper family snakes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agkistrodon_contortrix
    -----------------------------------------

    Messiah also said:

    Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

    And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions. Mark 10:21-22.

    Messiah knew, that he would not give up his great possessions.

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    Lucy,

    You said and wrote:

    Lucy, here you go again with your lies and false accusations.

    Well Messiah Himself and the scriptures say and prove otherwise than your prosperity theology.

    And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Luke 22:35; Mark 6:8; Luke 10:4.

    http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...ia=purse&t=KJV

    The idols of the heathen are silver and gold, the work of men's hands. Psalms 135:15; Psalms 115:4.

    Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. Acts 3:6.

    http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...and+gold&t=KJV

    For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man/person to enter into the kingdom of God. Luke 18:25.

    Hearken(Listen), my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

    But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men/persons oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? James 2:5-6.

    I ask you Lucy, how can you claim to NOT have anything, and also claim that you do, and do you want to tell us that nonsense again too?
    --------------------------------------------------------

    The scriptures have a lot to say about these things, and the prosperity preachers and teachers do not want you to know them, because they are filling their bank accounts with your money.

    They will say quote: Sow that seed of faith(meaning send them your money) unquote.

    The scriptures say, to sow the seed of the Word, Messiah and the scriptures.

    There is also the teaching, that the Heavenly Father will not let His faith followers suffer anything at all, and that is a LIE too.

    Well, John the Baptist had his head cut off Mark 6:24-27.

    Stephen was stoned to death Acts 7:59.

    The apostle Paul was bitten by a venomous snake Acts 28:3-6.

    We have such venomous snakes here, one is called a copperhead, I've been bitten twice, and never went to the hospital, however, most people will die from their bite, if they do not go.

    See here for these viper family snakes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agkistrodon_contortrix
    -----------------------------------------

    Messiah also said:

    Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

    And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions. Mark 10:21-22.

    Messiah knew, that he would not give up his great possessions.
    --------------------------------------

    Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

    And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
    Matthew 19:27-29.

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    cont the antichrist cont the book of revelation

    one person???
    what is the true concept
    Who or what is the Antichrist?
    Is the Antichrist a man or an institution?
    Is he a person who is presently alive?
    Like so many things incorporated in the last-day teachings of the Bible, there is little consensus in the church today as to the identity of the Antichrist.
    How can we find the identity of the Antichrist?

    1 John 2 v 18 = it is the LAST HOUR = the antichrist is coming, but even now the ANTICHRISTS ARE HERE =TRUTH = already come those who commit a sin of apostacy,
    In Chapt 4 v 1 = tests the spirit = false prophets. etc. [ someone to replace Christ as a substitute]

    IN 1 John= He uses those terms that make it very clear of a present danger to the 1st believers.

    again
    ''that day will not come till the man of sin is revealed '' etc
    man of sin
    lawless one revealed
    the working of satan.

    This context is brewing in this church society,
    They were expecting a quick return of Jesus.

    An Apostacy was needed 1st. of the Jews in the 1st century~~~~MEANING ~~~~ they neglected the great salvation that had come.

    The man of sin is revealed. = who = antichrist is the man of sin = who opposes Christ and exalts himself above Christ - sits himself in the TEMPLE...
    ''SEATED IN THE TEMPLE'' = the original temple of Herod or the 3rd reconstruction of the temple = what is the truth here.?

    the Mystery is already at work. = the man of lawlessness~ 2 Thes = but is held in restraint, [ the church sees this as a pre tribulation ''rapture'' as Christians are taken out of this world]???

    the coming of the lawless one is by the working of satan. [supernatural powers??= the man of lawlessness = is the same as the Beast In Revelation all refer to the same thing]
    is this beast in the 1st century only
    SO~~~
    who is this BEAST:
    hmmmm
    A notorious figure listed in the book of Revelation is called “The Beast.”
    So who is the beast identified in the Book of Revelation?
    Has he already come or should we still expect him?
    Can we match the biblical portrait of the beast with a man who fits the description right down to the name.?
    Rev 13 v 1 = a beast with 7 heads, and 10 horns.
    7 heads = aka= 7 hills of ROME.
    Rev 13 v 11 = here is wisdom.
    666
    ''rises up out from the sea'' = military power of ROME the roman empire comes the beast and is know by 666 the mark of the beast,
    some have thought it was the pope and the catholic church.???
    also
    some military names that have been raised up such as Stalin and Hilter. etc... both very popular choices.
    but alas not so~~~

    if we follow the bible process, of the Mt of Olives - over to - the Book of Revelation is a 1st century fulfillment,.
    same style of information and to protect the believers with prophecy for the NEARNESS of that time
    It was under NERO'S reign this is all about
    Nero is #666
    The beast can be known by 666 = 616 in the process of copying a mistake is made.
    before 70ad = Nero matches the time frame.
    NERO wickedness was so evil none could believe it............. [look at his history of evil deeds.]
    ''Circus Maxuminus'' read about this time
    [ Nero was called ''the poison of the world'']
    Nero would come out dressed in wild animal skins [the beast] and devour the sexual parts of the captives with his teeth and put on his hands some form of wild beast's claws.
    Nero had a beast nature.

    some history of the beast
    He so prostituted his own chastity that after defiling almost every part of his body, he at last devised a kind of game, in which, covered with the skin of some wild animal, he was let loose from a cage and attacked the private parts of men and women, who were bound to stakes, and when he had sated his mad lust, was dispatched by his freedman Doryphorus; for he was even married to this man in the same way that he himself had married Sporus, going so far as to imitate the cries and lamentations of a maiden being deflowered. I have heard from some men that it was his unshaken conviction that no man was chaste or pure in any part of his body, but that most of them concealed their vices and cleverly drew a veil over them; and that therefore he pardoned all other faults in those who confessed to him their lewdness.

    his name is translated it comes to #666.
    The mark was the increasing of ''Emperor Worship'' Nero had his statue set up to be always WORSHIPPED.[read about this in history]
    He had a statue put up to be worshipped also the ROMAN STANDARDS were brought into the Temple as an abomination of desolation to be worshipped and were considered as sacrilege.
    But much more than a mere means of identification, the Roman standards were held in awe.
    They were potent symbols of Roman honour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    one person???
    what is the true concept
    Who or what is the Antichrist?
    Is the Antichrist a man or an institution?
    Is he a person who is presently alive?
    Like so many things incorporated in the last-day teachings of the Bible, there is little consensus in the church today as to the identity of the Antichrist.
    How can we find the identity of the Antichrist?

    1 John 2 v 18 = it is the LAST HOUR = the antichrist is coming, but even now the ANTICHRISTS ARE HERE =TRUTH = already come those who commit a sin of apostacy,
    In Chapt 4 v 1 = tests the spirit = false prophets. etc. [ someone to replace Christ as a substitute]

    IN 1 John= He uses those terms that make it very clear of a present danger to the 1st believers.

    again
    ''that day will not come till the man of sin is revealed '' etc
    man of sin
    lawless one revealed
    the working of satan.

    This context is brewing in this church society,
    They were expecting a quick return of Jesus.

    An Apostacy was needed 1st. of the Jews in the 1st century~~~~MEANING ~~~~ they neglected the great salvation that had come.

    The man of sin is revealed. = who = antichrist is the man of sin = who opposes Christ and exalts himself above Christ - sits himself in the TEMPLE...
    ''SEATED IN THE TEMPLE'' = the original temple of Herod or the 3rd reconstruction of the temple = what is the truth here.?

    the Mystery is already at work. = the man of lawlessness~ 2 Thes = but is held in restraint, [ the church sees this as a pre tribulation ''rapture'' as Christians are taken out of this world]???

    the coming of the lawless one is by the working of satan. [supernatural powers??= the man of lawlessness = is the same as the Beast In Revelation all refer to the same thing]
    is this beast in the 1st century only
    SO~~~
    who is this BEAST:
    hmmmm
    A notorious figure listed in the book of Revelation is called “The Beast.”
    So who is the beast identified in the Book of Revelation?
    Has he already come or should we still expect him?
    Can we match the biblical portrait of the beast with a man who fits the description right down to the name.?
    Rev 13 v 1 = a beast with 7 heads, and 10 horns.
    7 heads = aka= 7 hills of ROME.
    Rev 13 v 11 = here is wisdom.
    666
    ''rises up out from the sea'' = military power of ROME the roman empire comes the beast and is know by 666 the mark of the beast,
    some have thought it was the pope and the catholic church.???
    also
    some military names that have been raised up such as Stalin and Hilter. etc... both very popular choices.
    but alas not so~~~

    if we follow the bible process, of the Mt of Olives - over to - the Book of Revelation is a 1st century fulfillment,.
    same style of information and to protect the believers with prophecy for the NEARNESS of that time
    It was under NERO'S reign this is all about
    Nero is #666
    The beast can be known by 666 = 616 in the process of copying a mistake is made.
    before 70ad = Nero matches the time frame.
    NERO wickedness was so evil none could believe it............. [look at his history of evil deeds.]
    ''Circus Maxuminus'' read about this time
    [ Nero was called ''the poison of the world'']
    Nero would come out dressed in wild animal skins [the beast] and devour the sexual parts of the captives with his teeth and put on his hands some form of wild beast's claws.
    Nero had a beast nature.

    some history of the beast
    He so prostituted his own chastity that after defiling almost every part of his body, he at last devised a kind of game, in which, covered with the skin of some wild animal, he was let loose from a cage and attacked the private parts of men and women, who were bound to stakes, and when he had sated his mad lust, was dispatched by his freedman Doryphorus; for he was even married to this man in the same way that he himself had married Sporus, going so far as to imitate the cries and lamentations of a maiden being deflowered. I have heard from some men that it was his unshaken conviction that no man was chaste or pure in any part of his body, but that most of them concealed their vices and cleverly drew a veil over them; and that therefore he pardoned all other faults in those who confessed to him their lewdness.

    his name is translated it comes to #666.
    The mark was the increasing of ''Emperor Worship'' Nero had his statue set up to be always WORSHIPPED.[read about this in history]
    He had a statue put up to be worshipped also the ROMAN STANDARDS were brought into the Temple as an abomination of desolation to be worshipped and were considered as sacrilege.
    But much more than a mere means of identification, the Roman standards were held in awe.
    They were potent symbols of Roman honour.
    Lucy,

    There are many people today who have deceived themselves into THINKING, that they are not part of the lawless ones, they have fooled themselves that Yah's laws are abolished, and this is another LIE, because they are reinstated in the N.T. scriptures, however, there are ONLY 2 classes of people in the end time, the lawless or disobedient, and those who obey Yah's commandments.

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    Lucy,

    There are many people today who have deceived themselves into THINKING, that they are not part of the lawless ones, they have fooled themselves that Yah's laws are abolished, and this is another LIE, because they are reinstated in the N.T. scriptures, however, there are ONLY 2 classes of people in the end time, the lawless or disobedient, and those who obey Yah's commandments.

    And you should know me by now, when I say, that the N.T. scriptures do in fact quote these laws, that I can show and prove they indeed are, and people better believe that.

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    it is so amazing to see the truth for a change

    rather than the freemason agendas beginning with the masonic church JW'S then moving into Armstrongism who copied some thinking and now revered as ''the truth'' to those PLUGGED into the religious system
    The Rapture:

    What is the Rapture?
    the churched Christians all agree that Jesus will return to take His church out of this fallen world, but there is disagreement in the churches as to how He will do it.
    Will Jesus secretly take His people out of this world only to return again later for the Resurrection?
    find out the truth of The Last Days According to Jesus, [ not anyone else's opinions -what does Yeshua say]
    have all prophecies been fulfilled., is it the climax or do we wait for another time

    Resurrection = the bodies of the saints....1 corn 15 v 50+
    Prior to these verses Paul is talking about our glorified body, so up till now we looked at the time frame references of Jesus and John writing in revelation
    all churchians look forward to the day of their resurrection of their body,
    it is an ''apostle creed''
    Notice Paul here never gives a time frame reference,[ it never says ''these things must take place shortly'' etc]
    however
    when Paul uses the ''WE AND THE US'' it seems as if he is referring to that generation in the 1st century.????
    1st Thes 4 [ so much attention from the church] verse 14. caught up to be with the lord. [ no such an event as a ''secret rapture'' this was only an opinion of men]
    Many in the church think this ''rapture'' will take place BEFORE the tribulation.

    Paul likens this event to the RETURN OF THE ROMAN LEGIONS IN VICTORY,
    The victorious Roman General [who was camped a mile outside of the city] would send a messenger to the Senate of Roman announcing his triumphant arrival and then the Senate had time to give this general a victorious welcome.
    a Triumphant return~~~[ the same as a modern ''ticker tape parade'']
    now what happened, the Senate would signal with a TRUMPET sound when they were ready for this parade and the General knew it was time to come into the city of Rome in triumph as all was ready.
    At the SOUND OF THE TRUMPET, everyone in ROME went outside the city to join the General and walk back into the city of Rome to celebrate this TRIUMPH DAY.
    The Pauline rendering says Yeshua will be likened to this display of ancient Rome. [that is the bible rapture]

    The Millennium:

    The book of Revelation describes a time period in the last days called the Millennium.
    In fact, it says that the Millennium is a period of one-thousand years.
    But when did the last days begin?
    Are we still waiting for the last days or are we in them now?
    Is the Millennium a future expectation for the church or are we currently in it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    rather than the freemason agendas beginning with the masonic church JW'S then moving into Armstrongism who copied some thinking and now revered as ''the truth'' to those PLUGGED into the religious system
    The Rapture:

    What is the Rapture?
    the churched Christians all agree that Jesus will return to take His church out of this fallen world, but there is disagreement in the churches as to how He will do it.
    Will Jesus secretly take His people out of this world only to return again later for the Resurrection?
    find out the truth of The Last Days According to Jesus, [ not anyone else's opinions -what does Yeshua say]
    have all prophecies been fulfilled., is it the climax or do we wait for another time

    Resurrection = the bodies of the saints....1 corn 15 v 50+
    Prior to these verses Paul is talking about our glorified body, so up till now we looked at the time frame references of Jesus and John writing in revelation
    all churchians look forward to the day of their resurrection of their body,
    it is an ''apostle creed''
    Notice Paul here never gives a time frame reference,[ it never says ''these things must take place shortly'' etc]
    however
    when Paul uses the ''WE AND THE US'' it seems as if he is referring to that generation in the 1st century.????
    1st Thes 4 [ so much attention from the church] verse 14. caught up to be with the lord. [ no such an event as a ''secret rapture'' this was only an opinion of men]
    Many in the church think this ''rapture'' will take place BEFORE the tribulation.

    Paul likens this event to the RETURN OF THE ROMAN LEGIONS IN VICTORY,
    The victorious Roman General [who was camped a mile outside of the city] would send a messenger to the Senate of Roman announcing his triumphant arrival and then the Senate had time to give this general a victorious welcome.
    a Triumphant return~~~[ the same as a modern ''ticker tape parade'']
    now what happened, the Senate would signal with a TRUMPET sound when they were ready for this parade and the General knew it was time to come into the city of Rome in triumph as all was ready.
    At the SOUND OF THE TRUMPET, everyone in ROME went outside the city to join the General and walk back into the city of Rome to celebrate this TRIUMPH DAY.
    The Pauline rendering says Yeshua will be likened to this display of ancient Rome. [that is the bible rapture]

    The Millennium:

    The book of Revelation describes a time period in the last days called the Millennium.
    In fact, it says that the Millennium is a period of one-thousand years.
    But when did the last days begin?
    Are we still waiting for the last days or are we in them now?
    Is the Millennium a future expectation for the church or are we currently in it?
    Lucy,

    Paul is NOT referring to the Roman trumpets, try looking back to the FEAST OF TRUMPETS in the scriptures.

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