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    Lightbulb 1 John 4:1-3, Messiah Yahushua in us right now!

    Hi Everyone,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!
    I am moved today to repost a post originally made to Lucy back in 2006. This post was later posted elsewhere to Frankallisone on another forum in 2009. I was thinking of Allan & Company when I made the repost, and now I am also thinking of Joseph John Dewey & Company as I make this additional repost. This post would fit well on the Translation Thread, but because of what it has to say concerning reincarnationists who ultimately seek to put aside the flesh or physical body and permanently dwell as pure spirit apart from Messiah Yahushua, I am placing the repost on a thread all by itself. Any additions to the original post will be color coded green. Here is a copy of the original post:
    "Hi Lucy,
    "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh". this is the HINGE VERSE.
    You are absolutely correct. This is a HINGE VERSE! I first took an extensive look at this verse because of a revelation given to DeAnna. We engaged in a discussion of this verse on this forum. I attempted to find our discussion this morning, but I could not find it through the search engine because that discussion has been archived. DeAnna was given the understanding of what "is come in flesh" really means. Here are some quotes which are related:
    Matthew 11:3
    3 And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another? (KJV)
    This was asked of Yahushua by two disciples of John the Baptist. The phrase he that should come is really the present active participle of erchomai, erchomenos, with the definite article. The presence here of the definite article draws our attention to a very specific coming one. Present tense in the Greek means action that begins and continues or is on going in the present. Are you "the one who presently is in the process of coming and the one who continues to come" is what is being asked of Messiah!
    1John 2:18-19
    18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
    19 They went out from us, but they were not of us: for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. (KJV)
    These various anti-Messiahs arose within the Spiritual Temple or Body of Messiah. They like the live goat (Leviticus 16) look and smell good. They cannot be distinguished from true believers save through their leaving or departure, that is, their being led away from the camp by the hand of the fit man. (This not remaining or continuing could also be speaking of death!) Shepherds do not leave the flock, and neither do the sheep leave the fold. Those that depart or leave the fold are false sheep. This very reasoning was eventually used against me when I left the Tzaddikim!
    1 John 2:22
    22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Yahushua is the Messiah? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (KJV)
    The general nature or spirit of anti-Messiah denies that Yahushua is the Messiah. This is indicative of Judas who did not believe in Messiah and went out to promote his better Messianic way! Again, I see the live goat here. This rebellion denies both the FATHER and the Son! Why is this so?
    1 John 4:1-3
    1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of ELOHIM: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
    2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of ELOHIM: Every spirit that confesseth that Yahushua Messiah is come in flesh is of ELOHIM:
    The tense of erchomai, "is come", in this verse is perfect. The perfect tense in the Greek language "denotes that the action of the verb is regarded as complete at the time of speaking, and that its results are regarded as still existing." By using the perfect tense here, John is thereby saying that Yahushua did complete coming in flesh and that the result of this coming can be seen in the present, ergo, through John and other believers. I want to quote the next sentence in the description of the perfect tense because of its importance here: "When it is said that the action is regarded as "complete" this does not mean that it is regarded as ended; but only that it is regarded as brought to its appropriate conclusion in such a way that its effects remain in action. The Perfect has therefore really as much to do with the present as with past time, since it describes the present result of a past action." What is it therefore that the spirit of anti-Messiah denies here? The spirit of the Anti-Messiah denies that the Savior, the Yahushua, exists in flesh, in those that can be seen, that is, in John and other believers, (and now also in us). The spirit of the Anti-Messiah says that Yahushua ascended into heaven and now remains separate from sinful flesh. This spirit of Anti-Messiah denies this fundamental reasoning set forth by Paul:
    Philippians 1:19-22
    19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Yahushua Messiah,
    20 According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Messiah shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
    21 For to me to live is Messiah, and to die is gain. (Paul is here speaking of death through Martyrdom)
    22 But if I live in flesh, this is the fruit of my labor: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
    So life in flesh is the recompense of our work in Messiah, (or even better stated, HIS work in us). This paycheck is the opposite of the recompense received through the wages of sin. We are created in Messiah Yahushua for good works with its result, Eternal (perpetual) Life. This is the reward and role of the helpmate. The spirit of the anti-Messiah denies all this. The spirit of the anti-Messiah says that the Helpmate cannot live, that she must physically die in order to be saved so that she might experience multiple reincarnations. So, the spirit of the Anti-Messiah denies that John and others remain. The spirit of the anti-messiah denies the existence of, THE YAHUSHUA, in flesh manifested by the ELECT:
    1 John 4:3
    3 And every spirit that confesseth not the Yahushua is not of ELOHIM: and this is that (spirit) of the antimessiah, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
    When John speaks of the spirit of the Anti-Messiah being in the world, John is not speaking of the Anti-Messiah himself. However, in 2 John 1:7, the Hinge Verse, John speaks directly of the Anti-Messiah himself:
    2 John 1:7
    7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Yahushua Messiah is come (This "is coming" is a present participle which applies directly to Messiah in us now today!) in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
    So, what and who is the ANTIMESSIAH? He is many deceivers made manifest. He is the personification of the false religious system which we battle, the system which denies the possibility of LIFE NOW in flesh, and this deceiver arises out of the ELECT perhaps from either one or the other of the Sisters. This is why John, the Ancient One, (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08492a.htm, scroll down to Chapter 11 and read about John) takes the time to write a warning message to us, the ELECT LADY, about this ANTIMESSIAH! We and our Children are sister to John and Company. Lady Lucy, do you have any choice words ready to confess over this live goat that we will make manifest by LIFE NOW in flesh? Sincerely, Ab"

    Reincarnationists just like historical Christianity actually deny that Messiah Yahushua can live in the flesh of HIS Believers through the gift of HIS Holy Spirit. This gift of additional spirit gives HIS Believers the ability to continue to live and not grow older until they physically die as is the eventual common fate of non-believers. HIS Believers continue to live because Messiah Yahushua lives in us as Messiah has promised:
    Matthew 28:20
    20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the age. Amen.
    Messiah Yahushua YAHWEH, I believe; help thou my unbelief.
    Thanking any in advance that should be moved to reply, I am,
    Sincerely, Latuwr
    The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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    amen ............... hello Spying,

    much good MEAT to digest here,lets begin.


    i loved this *******enormous******** revelation you emphasied here....
    and this is the PROBLEM we are all faced with....................................

    Spying...Your revelation saying...

    The general nature or spirit of anti-Messiah denies that Yahushua is the Messiah.
    This is indicative of Judas who did not believe in Messiah and went out to promote his better Messianic way!


    judas JUDAS judas MENALITY.
    = IS AIMED to P.R.O.M.O.T.E. a better way
    THAT IS.....THE PROBLEM.....

    generation after generation have believed a religious JUDAS /Cain Ministry /Man's better way, that is ANTI-CHRIST- i.e. That MURDERS THE PEWS.
    WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
    a form of religious godliness but DENIES [or never really continually shows/manifest/exhibits] THE SAME POWER THAT YESHUA WORKED UNDER, biblically termed as ''christ'' in the flesh.
    God IN Man = son of God.


    ah... such a wonderful exposing of the basic problem we all must face.
    i.e RELIGION is a satanic deception that our soul Eve returns back to a Judas way - to go out and ''make things better my way''
    very form of religious expression on earth is a JUDAS working ministry believed as the truth,
    why?
    It so appealing to the deceived soul and so deadly to our mind and body.
    what must we do?
    Yeshua advised us to
    ''FOLLOW ME ''- over and over we are told...
    why?
    The gospel practiced in our daily lives
    ABOLISHED DEATH,

    who carries their cross?
    very few.,
    Thank you Spying for this edification.
    The law of Moses is described as a SHADOW
    Captives live in shadows -AN OPPRESSIVE BLIGHT OF SADNESS BY LIVING UNDER A DARK CLOUD.
    BTW
    The creation story takes place with God Elohim as the creator in chap 1.
    Chap 2 begins the same way, until verse 4, - a new entity is introduced, the LORD God, who now claims to have made heaven and earth.
    This is the first lie.
    The second lie appears in the story of Adam and Eve.

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