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    The Day of Atonement-Part 1

    Shalom Everyone, here is a modified script of what I presented yesterday on the Day of Atonement. Please try to understand from what was presented, that NO atonement can be made without sinners FASTING or TURNING from their sin. Enjoy:

    Day of Atonement 2016 - Part 1

    What is the “Day of Atonement?”
    First, what do we mean by atonement?
    Definitions:
    The act of atoning for sin or wrongdoing (especially appeasing a deity)
    The making up for an offense or injury


    So to have atonement for sin or wrongdoing, there has to be an “act” to “make up” for the offense or injury. Most within traditional Christianity think that “God” sacrificed his son in their place as the “act” to “make up” for their sin. Killing “Jesus” as their substitute satisfies for all the evil and wrong that they committed. This truly is how they think. Is that correct? Let’s examine a few Scriptures:

    Gen 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of Elohim He made man.

    Num 35:33 'So you shall not pollute the land in which you are; for blood pollutes the land and no expiation (atonement) can be made for the land for the blood that is shed on it, except by the blood of him who shed it.

    Should not we see that atonement requires the death of those who shed blood, and not an innocent victim standing in their place? Examine these Scriptures:

    Exo 23:7 "Keep far from a false word, and do not kill the innocent or the righteous, for I will not justify the guilty with sacrifice.

    Pro 17:15 He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous, BOTH of them alike are an abomination to Yahweh.

    Deu 27:25 Cursed be he that taketh reward (their salvation) to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.

    So what actually atones for sin and wrongdoing? Is it not repentance, and TURNING away from sin? Learning to do what is right? Yes, this is what ATONES for sin. Please examine these Scriptures with that in mind:

    Eze 33:10-16 Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live? (11) Say unto them, As I live, saith Yahweh Elohim, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? (12) Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. (13) When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it. (14) Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right; (15) If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die. (16) None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.

    So, to make up for sin, and end up living, and not dying, is accomplished by TURNING from iniquity…that atones for sin. This brings us to how the shedding of Yeshua’s blood causes, or brings the atonement. By the shedding of His blood, we are saved OUT from our sin. How does this work? By sinning, we ALL have shed His blood, and when the Spirit of Elohim opens the knowledge of this truth to us, we realize that we must REPENT, and we cannot REMAIN in sin, shedding His blood. The writer of Hebrews speaks thusly of this:

    Heb 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, (5) And have tasted the good word of Elohim, and the powers of the world to come, (6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of Elohim afresh, and put him to an open shame.

    Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

    So turning from sin/iniquity, and doing what is right (joining Yeshua IN His Life), is what saves us, but if we fall away, to where we need to be brought back to repentance, there is no sacrifice, nor forgiveness. Most think His primary role was to bring about the “forgiveness” of our sins, and few realize it actually took Yeshua having His innocent blood shed to bring about the REMISSION of our sin. What is the difference between forgiveness and remission? This is very important:

    Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

    Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

    Even if they deny it, most traditional christians think Elohim requires the shedding of innocent blood for Him to grant forgiveness. That is baloney. Delusional thinking or reasoning. But on the other hand, Elohim KNOWS that it would take an extreme sacrifice on His part, with the shedding of Yeshua’s innocent blood, to bring about the remission of sin FROM a sinners life. This is why He has BLESSED us in turning BELIEVERS away from ALL of our iniquities:

    Act 3:26 Unto you first Elohim, having raised up His Son Yeshua, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

    1Pe 1:14-22 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: (15) But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of your behavior; (16) Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. (17) And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: (18) Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your futile way of life handed down from your fathers; (19) But with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: (20) Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, (21) Who by him do believe in Elohim, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in Elohim. (22) Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

    Tit 2:11-14 For the grace of Elohim that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, (12) Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; (13) Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great Elohim and our Saviour Yeshua Messiah; (14) Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

    So the atonement found IN Messiah involves sinners TURNING from ALL their INIQUITIES, and then LIVING a life that is ZEALOUS of good works.

    The next part explains the Day of Atonement on the 10th day of the Seventh Month. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken

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    Day of Atonement - Part 2

    Day of Atonement 2016 - Part 2

    This brings us to the “Day of Atonement.” On the 10th Day of the Seventh Month, The Atonement shall be made. This atonement involves mankind TURNING from sin. This will occur in the last 100 years of the Millennium. Yeshua will return on the 1st Day of the 7th Month (The Day or Feast of Trumpets), and He will establish the Kingdom of Heaven here on Earth with His reigning and rule on His Day (Yahweh’s Day), the Seventh Day Sabbath. He will have His Elect, the Two Witnesses (The Apostolic Assembly and The Assembly of the Exiles) who will have given their testimony to this world, and He will resurrect them to rule and reign with Him on this Sabbath Day. The last 100 years of the Sabbath (10th day) is WHEN the Day of Atonement finds it’s fulfillment. At that time, mankind will be walking as they should, with Yeshua and His Body directing and ruling behind the scenes. You see, Satan will be bound for that Day, and he will not be ruling as he did the first 6 days (6000 years). So mankind, who is living then, will be fasting from sin and iniquity as NO work of unrighteousness will be allowed. On the Day of Atonement, NO WORK can be done? What is the WORK of man? Is it not sin? Mankind has labored or worked under the burden of sin for the first 6000 years, and in Elohim’s plan, man shall enter into rest from sin. Yeshua said, “Everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin,” and His stated purpose is to set us FREE from that slavery, and when that occurs, The Atonement is accomplished. This IS the FAST that Elohim desires, a fasting from sin and the work of iniquity:

    Isa 58:6-10 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? (7) Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh? (8) Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of Yahweh shall be thy rereward. (9) Then shalt thou call, and Yahweh shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity; (10) And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday:

    This is the FAST that will occur with mankind ON the Day of Atonement when it is fulfilled in the last 100 years of the 7th Day Sabbath. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken

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    Lucy & Eliyahu, have you ever considered to FAST or TURN from the WORK of INIQUITY?

    Shabbat Shalom, I thought I might bring this thread back up for today is the Day of Atonement, and I would like to ask Lucy and Eliyahu if they have started their FAST/TURNING from the WORK of INIQUITY, so that ATONEMENT can be made? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Shabbat Shalom, I thought I might bring this thread back up for today is the Day of Atonement, and I would like to ask Lucy and Eliyahu if they have started their FAST/TURNING from the WORK of INIQUITY, so that ATONEMENT can be made? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
    Ken,

    Ye should already know my answer to ye question by now.
    A bit of revelation for ye.

    Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

    Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. John 8:19.

    By His name YAH Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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    i hope your ''works of the law ''......work ImHebrew

    and this time around you are able to give up your the ''works'' of reliance upon the Matrix for your needs
    I am hoping you will ''see the light'' so to speak and become unplugged.

    When you say '' I fast and repent,'' but fail to trust and believe in the promises of Messiah as Your shepherd - it has a forked tongue look.
    If you cannot trust and have confidence in The Saviour, why keep those O T feast?
    it rings of spiritual immaturity and betrayal to me.
    the true reality is '' betrayed by a kiss''

    its the JUST WHO LIVE BY FAITH, that succeed ImHebrew in empowerment of christ,
    not those who boast
    '' look at my ''works'' of fasting, i do these religious ''works to look good'' because i cannot trust IN Him for all my needs but i am fasting anyways''

    you know Imhebrew that is the saddest thing to be so wrong
    Jesus weeps for people like you.
    The law of Moses is described as a SHADOW
    Captives live in shadows -AN OPPRESSIVE BLIGHT OF SADNESS BY LIVING UNDER A DARK CLOUD.
    BTW
    The creation story takes place with God Elohim as the creator in chap 1.
    Chap 2 begins the same way, until verse 4, - a new entity is introduced, the LORD God, who now claims to have made heaven and earth.
    This is the first lie.
    The second lie appears in the story of Adam and Eve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    and this time around you are able to give up your the ''works'' of reliance upon the Matrix for your needs
    I am hoping you will ''see the light'' so to speak and become unplugged.

    When you say '' I fast and repent,'' but fail to trust and believe in the promises of Messiah as Your shepherd - it has a forked tongue look.
    If you cannot trust and have confidence in The Saviour, why keep those O T feast?
    it rings of spiritual immaturity and betrayal to me.
    the true reality is '' betrayed by a kiss''

    its the JUST WHO LIVE BY FAITH, that succeed ImHebrew in empowerment of christ,
    not those who boast
    '' look at my ''works'' of fasting, i do these religious ''works to look good'' because i cannot trust IN Him for all my needs but i am fasting anyways''

    you know Imhebrew that is the saddest thing to be so wrong
    Jesus weeps for people like you.
    Lucy J.

    It's called obedience, and who or what do ye obey, is it not your own self instead of Messiah?
    A bit of revelation for ye.

    Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

    Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. John 8:19.

    By His name YAH Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    and this time around you are able to give up your the ''works'' of reliance upon the Matrix for your needs
    I am hoping you will ''see the light'' so to speak and become unplugged.

    When you say '' I fast and repent,'' but fail to trust and believe in the promises of Messiah as Your shepherd - it has a forked tongue look.
    If you cannot trust and have confidence in The Saviour, why keep those O T feast?
    it rings of spiritual immaturity and betrayal to me.
    the true reality is '' betrayed by a kiss''

    its the JUST WHO LIVE BY FAITH, that succeed ImHebrew in empowerment of christ,
    not those who boast
    '' look at my ''works'' of fasting, i do these religious ''works to look good'' because i cannot trust IN Him for all my needs but i am fasting anyways''

    you know Imhebrew that is the saddest thing to be so wrong
    Jesus weeps for people like you.
    Lucy,

    Jesus weeps for those like you, because it takes real doing faith to obey Messiah.

    Also, if ye truly trust in Jesus, why are ye not tearing up all of those insurance policies?
    A bit of revelation for ye.

    Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

    Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. John 8:19.

    By His name YAH Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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    Lucy, you need to read better.

    Lucy, you need to read better. I wasn't asking you if you were "physically" fasting, I was speaking of SPIRITUAL things in which it appears you know nothing about. Ken
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    oh okie Imhebrew - just for the record

    can you describe this spiritual fast?
    describe this experience please and why you do it - for what purpose?
    is there an area that Messiah left undone?
    and after you do this what happens,

    did jesus command we fast ''spiritually''
    The law of Moses is described as a SHADOW
    Captives live in shadows -AN OPPRESSIVE BLIGHT OF SADNESS BY LIVING UNDER A DARK CLOUD.
    BTW
    The creation story takes place with God Elohim as the creator in chap 1.
    Chap 2 begins the same way, until verse 4, - a new entity is introduced, the LORD God, who now claims to have made heaven and earth.
    This is the first lie.
    The second lie appears in the story of Adam and Eve.

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    Sorry for not getting back sooner Lucy.

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    can you describe this spiritual fast?
    describe this experience please and why you do it - for what purpose?
    is there an area that Messiah left undone?
    and after you do this what happens,

    did jesus command we fast ''spiritually''
    Lucy, good questions!

    Description of the Spiritual Fast which Yahweh/Yeshua desires (Isaiah 58:6-12).

    Why do we follow this Spiritual Fast? To be part of the Atonement as we enter INTO Life.

    Is there an area that Messiah left undone? He is in the PROCESS of fulfilling it ALL just as Amos 9:11-12 and Acts 15:16-18 declares.

    Did "Jesus" command we fast "spiritually?" You bet your britches (Luke 9:23-25), it's all about following Him in His afflictions (The Cross), and DENYING yourself.

    Ken
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    the religion of the jews and their bondage to Yahweh - i do not serve such a being

    Imhebrew.
    so I do declare, i am under the NEW WINE and Jesus said '' not to mix the old wine with the new - i obey His sayings
    [John 8 v 51]
    therefore i need never to fall backward into servitude to a religious system i was never called to Be in.


    Jesus also said.
    I am the true vine and my father is the gardener.
    I am the vine, you the branches.
    You who dwell in me as I in you bear much fruit, but without me you can do nothing. (15:1, 5)
    THE NEW VINE ALSO GOES WITH THE TRUE VINE - i hope you will understand that goodnews ImHebrew
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    now regarding your verse selections ImHebrew - trying to prove your point from the jewish captives and their religion.
    Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
    Isa 58 v 6
    those heavy burdens for the captives.
    is this what Peter was referring to, the YOKE TOO HARD for THEIR ancestors to bear [ acts 15]
    only JESUS can do this, NOT YAHWEH - he was too weak imperfect and useless, THE PLEBS ALL DIED UNDER HIS CARE
    so~~~ see Math 11 v 28-30 for His divine escape plan.
    MR DIVINE FIX IT.

    again you have quote
    Luke 9:23-25 King James Version
    23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
    24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
    25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
    that has nothing to do with a physical fast nor a ''spiritual fast''
    IT IS FOR HIS OVERCOMER - A NEW CREATION you remain unfamiliar with
    the verse means
    ''to deny'' their carnal minded seeing is believing demonic 5 senses - identified as THE MATRIX
    ''by denying'' the MATRIX WORLD the overcomer looses their values to that evil system and takes on the true life values of THE KINGDOM

    as an example
    For instance your carnal stand for vaccinations ImHebrew is well documented
    ask
    Is carnal worldy medical help needed in the Kingdom of Heaven?
    if you dwell in His presence 24/7 - why are you pill popping and seeking medical aid?
    The good news is
    There are no drug stores and hospitals and vaccination clinics in the kingdom of heaven
    Hmmm isnt the Kingdom of Heaven nigh to us and INside us ?

    in John 11
    Martha says to Messiah '' Master if only you were here My brother would not have died''
    what does that mean to you ImHebrew?
    to His Ekklesia - as His workmanship- this word ''here'' means '' WHEN THE SAVIOUR IS INDWELLING A SAINT - THEY DONT PHYSICALLY DIE.

    - so~~~ why do you''spiritually fast'' when you cannot break the ''bands of wickedness'' [ pharma = witchcraft] of popping pills and medical helps and worshipping the jewish gods?
    that is a mere verse quoter like Elijah - quoting verses as a total hyprocrite without true divine substance.

    that foul religious life you live in Imhebrew IS JUST PLAIN AWEFUL
    The law of Moses is described as a SHADOW
    Captives live in shadows -AN OPPRESSIVE BLIGHT OF SADNESS BY LIVING UNDER A DARK CLOUD.
    BTW
    The creation story takes place with God Elohim as the creator in chap 1.
    Chap 2 begins the same way, until verse 4, - a new entity is introduced, the LORD God, who now claims to have made heaven and earth.
    This is the first lie.
    The second lie appears in the story of Adam and Eve.

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    Lucy, Lucy!

    Lucy my dear, why did you state the following?

    For instance your carnal stand for vaccinations ImHebrew is well documented
    ask
    Is carnal worldy medical help needed in the Kingdom of Heaven?
    if you dwell in His presence 24/7 - why are you pill popping and seeking medical aid?
    The good news is
    There are no drug stores and hospitals and vaccination clinics in the kingdom of heaven
    Hmmm isnt the Kingdom of Heaven nigh to us and INside us ?
    Why did you state this if YOUR husband and grand daughter needs to wear glasses? Why do you wear reading glasses? Hmm? Are you the pot calling the kettle black? Ken

    P.S. I have explained to you over and over again that WHEN Yeshua told the Pharisees that the Kingdom of Elohim was "within" them, He was NOT telling them it was "inside" them, but rather it WOULD BE "suddenly" in THEIR midst. Why do you misquote Yeshua? This is what He told the Pharisees concerning WHEN the Kingdom of Elohim would come:

    Lk 17:20 Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of Elohim was coming, He answered them and said,The kingdom of Elohim is not coming with signs to be observed;
    Lk 17:21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of Elohim is in your midst.”

    And THEN in the very next verse He explains to His Disciples about His COMING, that it would be SUDDENLY like lightning (For BEHOLD), and THIS IS the coming of the Kingdom that would be in the midst of the Pharisees, and NOT "within" them or "inside" them as you erroneously TEACH:

    Lk 17:22 And He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it.
    Lk 17:23 “They will say to you, ‘Look there! Look here!’ Do not go away, and do not run after them.
    Lk 17:24 “For just like the lightning, when it flashes out of one part of the sky, shines to the other part of the sky, so will the Son of Man be in His day.
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    your explanations ImHebrew are useless and extremely anti christ

    the truth out is
    ASK?
    is not the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN powered by the HOLY SPIRIT OF LIFE
    BTW the same power that fueled Messiah in wisdom strength and holiness?
    ASK?
    The holy Spirit of LIFE is * now INDWELLING * A BORN AGAIN BELIEVER AS A NEW RACE OF PEOPLE
    THEIR new TEACHER [not the law of moses] is the divine GUIDE, aka - THE COMFORTER AND OTHER ASSORTED HOLY BLESSINGS that belongs to ALL HIS believers.
    IS THAT NOT SO? LADDY

    WHY DO YOU TEACH DIFFERENTLY
    - why do you hate the goodwill and joy Jesus sacrificed His life to give to ALL WHO BELIEVE?
    WHY DO YOU DO IT?

    THE BORN AGAIN BELIEVER of His incorruptible seed dwells in the very presence of Our father in the same manner as Messiah did here.
    that is an ESTABLISHED FACT. WITHOUT ANY WRIGGLE ROOM

    YOU QUOTED IN POST #12 MY QUOTE
    Lucy my dear, why did you state the following?

    For instance your carnal stand for vaccinations ImHebrew is well documented
    ask
    Is carnal worldly medical help needed in the Kingdom of Heaven?
    if you dwell in His presence 24/7 - why are you pill popping and seeking medical aid?
    The good news is
    There are no drug stores and hospitals and vaccination clinics in the kingdom of heaven
    Hmmm isn't the Kingdom of Heaven nigh to us and INside us ?
    again your quote from same post #12
    Why did you state this if YOUR husband and grand daughter needs to wear glasses? Why do you wear reading glasses? Hmm? Are you the pot calling the kettle black? Ken
    I don't wear prescription glasses
    - I used a long time ago [ as part of the curses of the fallen nature] but I got healed from this malady many years ago.

    I do wear ordinary [unprescription] sun glasses - we all do here - as the Australian sun and climate is far different from any other places in this world.

    BTW None of my family believe in the compulsory faith of phony Christian faith healers
    NOR THOSE particularly cruel demands from the demonic deviate Herbert Armstrong
    we don't walk that evil road.
    that is for the phonies.

    FAITH comes from HEARING - if you don't hear, you cannot walk in the same faith as the Messiah
    This is why the 12 disciples asked for '' an increase of Faith'' AS they could see how Messiah walked ---- in total full on faith FROM HEARING daily from His father.
    That is the true way ImHebrew and one that makes perfect sense.
    [HEAR then WALK in that hearing]

    Each person is an unique fingerprint of Father,
    None walk in the same part of the temple HE IS BUILDING [His workmanship]
    EACH person fitted into their place, in His living temple has the impartation of FAITH that is needed
    '''faith as a grain of mustard''' to ''WOMAN OF GREAT FAITH'' depends upon the place where we are fitted IN.
    4 ME it is ALL or busted
    that is ''my wee place in HIS temple not made with hands''

    ImHebrew you have so much to learn.
    hey~~~~ but it is good experience for others to understand the real life facts rather than religious fables that make people remain slaves.
    The law of Moses is described as a SHADOW
    Captives live in shadows -AN OPPRESSIVE BLIGHT OF SADNESS BY LIVING UNDER A DARK CLOUD.
    BTW
    The creation story takes place with God Elohim as the creator in chap 1.
    Chap 2 begins the same way, until verse 4, - a new entity is introduced, the LORD God, who now claims to have made heaven and earth.
    This is the first lie.
    The second lie appears in the story of Adam and Eve.

  14. #14
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    Lucy, you are being deceptive.

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    the truth out is
    ASK?
    is not the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN powered by the HOLY SPIRIT OF LIFE
    BTW the same power that fueled Messiah in wisdom strength and holiness?
    ASK?
    The holy Spirit of LIFE is * now INDWELLING * A BORN AGAIN BELIEVER AS A NEW RACE OF PEOPLE
    THEIR new TEACHER [not the law of moses] is the divine GUIDE, aka - THE COMFORTER AND OTHER ASSORTED HOLY BLESSINGS that belongs to ALL HIS believers.
    IS THAT NOT SO? LADDY

    WHY DO YOU TEACH DIFFERENTLY
    - why do you hate the goodwill and joy Jesus sacrificed His life to give to ALL WHO BELIEVE?
    WHY DO YOU DO IT?

    THE BORN AGAIN BELIEVER of His incorruptible seed dwells in the very presence of Our father in the same manner as Messiah did here.
    that is an ESTABLISHED FACT. WITHOUT ANY WRIGGLE ROOM

    YOU QUOTED IN POST #12 MY QUOTE


    again your quote from same post #12


    I don't wear prescription glasses
    - I used a long time ago [ as part of the curses of the fallen nature] but I got healed from this malady many years ago.

    I do wear ordinary [unprescription] sun glasses - we all do here - as the Australian sun and climate is far different from any other places in this world.

    BTW None of my family believe in the compulsory faith of phony Christian faith healers
    NOR THOSE particularly cruel demands from the demonic deviate Herbert Armstrong
    we don't walk that evil road.
    that is for the phonies.

    FAITH comes from HEARING - if you don't hear, you cannot walk in the same faith as the Messiah
    This is why the 12 disciples asked for '' an increase of Faith'' AS they could see how Messiah walked ---- in total full on faith FROM HEARING daily from His father.
    That is the true way ImHebrew and one that makes perfect sense.
    [HEAR then WALK in that hearing]

    Each person is an unique fingerprint of Father,
    None walk in the same part of the temple HE IS BUILDING [His workmanship]
    EACH person fitted into their place, in His living temple has the impartation of FAITH that is needed
    '''faith as a grain of mustard''' to ''WOMAN OF GREAT FAITH'' depends upon the place where we are fitted IN.
    4 ME it is ALL or busted
    that is ''my wee place in HIS temple not made with hands''

    ImHebrew you have so much to learn.
    hey~~~~ but it is good experience for others to understand the real life facts rather than religious fables that make people remain slaves.
    Lucy, I didn't say anything about you wearing "prescription" glasses, I said you wear reading glasses, and there are pictures to prove your husband and grand daughter both wear glasses, and these were not sun glasses. Please, tell us the truth, why do you all wear glasses IF you have the kingdom INSIDE of you? Ken
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    it is very obvious ImHebrew you actually dont read correctly

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    the truth out is
    ASK?
    is not the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN powered by the HOLY SPIRIT OF LIFE
    BTW the same power that fueled Messiah in wisdom strength and holiness?
    ASK?
    The holy Spirit of LIFE is * now INDWELLING * A BORN AGAIN BELIEVER AS A NEW RACE OF PEOPLE
    THEIR new TEACHER [not the law of moses] is the divine GUIDE, aka - THE COMFORTER AND OTHER ASSORTED HOLY BLESSINGS that belongs to ALL HIS believers.
    IS THAT NOT SO? LADDY

    WHY DO YOU TEACH DIFFERENTLY
    - why do you hate the goodwill and joy Jesus sacrificed His life to give to ALL WHO BELIEVE?
    WHY DO YOU DO IT?

    THE BORN AGAIN BELIEVER of His incorruptible seed dwells in the very presence of Our father in the same manner as Messiah did here.
    that is an ESTABLISHED FACT. WITHOUT ANY WRIGGLE ROOM

    YOU QUOTED IN POST #12 MY QUOTE


    again your quote from same post #12


    I don't wear prescription glasses
    - I used a long time ago [ as part of the curses of the fallen nature] but I got healed from this malady many years ago.

    I do wear ordinary [unprescription] sun glasses - we all do here - as the Australian sun and climate is far different from any other places in this world.


    BTW None of my family believe in the compulsory faith of phony Christian faith healers
    NOR THOSE particularly cruel demands from the demonic deviate Herbert Armstrong
    we don't walk that evil road.
    that is for the phonies.

    FAITH comes from HEARING - if you don't hear, you cannot walk in the same faith as the Messiah
    This is why the 12 disciples asked for '' an increase of Faith'' AS they could see how Messiah walked ---- in total full on faith FROM HEARING daily from His father.
    That is the true way ImHebrew and one that makes perfect sense.
    [HEAR then WALK in that hearing]

    Each person is an unique fingerprint of Father,
    None walk in the same part of the temple HE IS BUILDING [His workmanship]
    EACH person fitted into their place, in His living temple has the impartation of FAITH that is needed
    '''faith as a grain of mustard''' to ''WOMAN OF GREAT FAITH'' depends upon the place where we are fitted IN.
    4 ME it is ALL or busted
    that is ''my wee place in HIS temple not made with hands''

    ImHebrew you have so much to learn.
    hey~~~~ but it is good experience for others to understand the real life facts rather than religious fables that make people remain slaves.


    i dont wear prescription glasses....i was healed long ago
    ps added
    added infor for those silly willy people

    prescription glasses
    spectacles the lenses of which have been made specifically to match the wearer's defects of vision
    means i personally don't need prescription glasses for any reason.
    Last edited by LucySmith; 11-03-2019 at 01:09 AM. Reason: ps so simple to understand
    The law of Moses is described as a SHADOW
    Captives live in shadows -AN OPPRESSIVE BLIGHT OF SADNESS BY LIVING UNDER A DARK CLOUD.
    BTW
    The creation story takes place with God Elohim as the creator in chap 1.
    Chap 2 begins the same way, until verse 4, - a new entity is introduced, the LORD God, who now claims to have made heaven and earth.
    This is the first lie.
    The second lie appears in the story of Adam and Eve.

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