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    Thumbs up The Love Of Messiah And The Love Of Elohim.

    Here below is a short article I wrote, and I pray you realize its importance. Who and what is it?

    Messiah Yah-Shua said… Yah-Shua said unto him, Thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. ( Matthew 22:37-40; See also Deuteronomy 6:5-6; Mark 12:30; Luke 10:27 ).

    Messiah Yah-Shua said…But He answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of YAHWEH Elohim.( Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4; Deuteronomy 8:3 ).

    Messiah Yah-Shua also said, and Luke wrote.. But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of Elohim: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. (Luke 11:42).

    Again, Messiah Yah-Shua said, and John wrote.. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. I receive not honour from men. But I know you, that ye have not the love of Elohim in you. I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. ( John 5:39-43).

    The apostle Paul wrote.. Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with Elohim through our Master Yah-Shua Messiah: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of Elohim. And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope: And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of Elohim is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit which is given unto us. (Romans 5:1-5).

    Again, Paul wrote… Who shall separate us from the love of Messiah? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of Elohim, which is in Messiah Yah-Shua our Master. ( Romans 8:35-39).

    Continued in next post..

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    Thumbs up The Love Of Messiah And The Love Of Elohim.

    For the love of Messiah constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead. ( 2 Corinthians 5:14).

    That Messiah may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Messiah, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of Elohim. ( Ephesians 3:17-19 ).

    And the Master direct your hearts into the love of Elohim, and into the patient waiting for Messiah.(2 Thessalonians 3:5). And the grace of our Master was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Messiah Yah-Shua. ( 1 Timothy 1:14 ). Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Messiah Yah-Shua. ( 2 Timothy 1:13 ).

    The apostle John wrote… My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father Yahweh, Yah-Shua Messiah the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. Anyone that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in them. But whoso keepeth His word, in him verily is the love of Elohim perfected: hereby know we are in Him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. ( 1 John 2:1-6).

    We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. Hereby perceive we the love of Elohim, because He laid down His life for us,: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of Elohim in him? My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. (1 John 3:14-18 ).

    Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of Elohim; and every one that loveth is born of Elohim, and knoweth Elohim; for Elohim is love . In this was manifested the love of Elohim toward us, because Elohim sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. Herein is love, not that we loved Elohim, but that He loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if Elohim so loved us, we ought also to love one another. ( 1 John 4:7-11).

    Whosoever believeth that Yah-Shua is the Messiah is born of Elohim: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of Elohim, when we love Elohim, and keep His commandments. For this is the love of Elohim, that we keep His commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. ( 1 John 5:1-3 ).

    Jude wrote… But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, Keep yourselves in the love of Elohim, looking for the mercy of our Master Yah-Shua Messiah unto eternal life. ( Jude 1:20-21 ).

    YAH Bless!

    E.C.

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    The apostle John wrote… My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father Yahweh, Yah-Shua Messiah the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. Anyone that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in them. But whoso keepeth His word, in him verily is the love of Elohim perfected: hereby know we are in Him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. ( 1 John 2:1-6).

    Whosoever believeth that Yah-Shua is the Messiah is born of Elohim: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of Elohim, when we love Elohim, and keep His commandments. For this is the love of Elohim, that we keep His commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. ( 1 John 5:1-3 ).

    Can you imagine, people who say, that the commandments are abolished, are in fact saying, Messiah and the love of Elohim is abolished too!

    No wonder there is so much murder and violence in this world today, because people have been taught, that the commandments are no longer valid.

    Anyone that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in them. So says John the Apostle.

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    looks so nice these scriptures as BLACK WORDS ON A WHITE BACKGROUND

    yet mean absolutely nothing to the Christless system.
    if they MEANT SOMETHING, to all churchians this world would not have almost reached the ''days of Noah'' -

    Religion never transformed anyone. NOR DID QUOTING SCRIPTURES...
    Hence the churchians are never transformed.
    You cannot mess with scriptures trying to make a point, when you fail to understand WHAT TO DO AND HOW IT IS DONE.

    and I guess the ruin comes FROM FAILING TO UNDERSTAND YESHUA'S 49 commands.
    Yeshua said, “If ye love Me, keep *My* commandments” (John 14:15).

    Keeping the commands of Yeshua begins with recognizing what they are.
    There is a NT collection of 49 of Yeshua commands to be obeyed.

    [NO# 49 means LIBERTY TO THE CAPTIVES]

    The Commandments of YESHUA must not be confused with the “Ten Commandments” in the Old Testament.

    THE 1ST ONE IS ''YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN'' - and this is not the way churchianity reveals.
    BUT TO CROSS OUT FROM DEATH HERE and into LIFE HERE.
    To move out from gross darkness into the light [become a light being and a death fighter.]
    The exchange of realms - with 2 very different types of knowledge
    The abundant life here on earth comes from obedience to these 49, and should ye have problems pray TO BE KEPT WITHIN HIS COMMANDS.
    No television preacher has ever read the Bible.
    Neither has any evangelical politician.
    Neither has the pope.
    Neither have I. And neither have you.
    At best, we’ve all read a bad translation—a translation of translations of translations of hand-copied copies of copies of copies of copies, and on and on, hundreds of times.
    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/02/t...ys-294018.html

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    Shooting yourself in the foot?

    Greetings Lucy, my words are inblue, and the scriptures are in red.

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    yet mean absolutely nothing to the Christless system.
    if they MEANT SOMETHING, to all churchians this world would not have almost reached the ''days of Noah'' -

    Religion never transformed anyone. NOR DID QUOTING SCRIPTURES...( Really? Then why did Messiah command in read letter quote?Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.)( John 5:39; See also Luke 24:27, 32, 45)( Can you prove from THE ANCIENT SCRIPTURES that Yah-Shua is the Messiah?( Sorry Lucy, As Ken would say, BOOM, you shot yourself in the foot.)Hence the churchians are never transformed.
    You cannot mess with scriptures trying to make a point, when you fail to understand WHAT TO DO AND HOW IT IS DONE.( Really? See Acts 17:2; Acts 17:11; Acts 18:24; Acts 18:28 )

    and I guess the ruin comes FROM FAILING TO UNDERSTAND YESHUA'S 49 commands.
    Yeshua said, “If ye love Me, keep *My* commandments” (John 14:15). Only 49 Really?

    Keeping the commands of Yeshua begins with recognizing what they are.
    There is a NT collection of 49 of Yeshua commands to be obeyed.

    [NO# 49 means LIBERTY TO THE CAPTIVES]

    The Commandments of YESHUA must not be confused with the “Ten Commandments” in the Old Testament.( Really? Or, was Messiah's words and commands NOT the spiritual intent fulfillment and meaning of the whole law of Elohim? Then why did Messiah say red letter?) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. See John 6:63; Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. John 14:23 Oops, you shot yourself in the foot again, Lucy.

    THE 1ST ONE IS ''YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN'' - and this is not the way churchianity reveals. Really? This is Messiah's first command? His first command was to satan the devil, quote. But he-Messiah answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4 Where is this written Lucy? See in the law Deuteronomy 8:3. BOOM, you shot yourself in the foot again.

    BUT TO CROSS OUT FROM DEATH HERE and into LIFE HERE.
    To move out from gross darkness into the light [become a light being and a death fighter.]
    The exchange of realms - with 2 very different types of knowledge
    The abundant life here on earth comes from obedience to these 49, and should ye have problems pray TO BE KEPT WITHIN HIS COMMANDS.
    Please Lucy, answer these 3 questions below with scriptures, and please, refrain yourself from shooting off the hip with your own ideas, because after a while, you will not have a foot to shoot yourself in. LOL. Why do you think I quoted Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4 Deuteronomy 8:3 at the beginning of this article?

    What is it, that people are to repent of doing according to the scriptures?

    Who wrote THE TEN COMMANDMENTS according to the scriptures?

    Did Moses believe in the Messiah according to the scriptures?

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    why? are you a Pharisee Elijah

    those who think they are ''right and then make up their own views and rules'' that ''they consider'' must be obeyed.

    a rat cannot become a tomato
    a lawkeeper of Moses cannot be saved.

    I cannot understand why you simply don't get it????
    and as for those who do ''get it'' are considered the lowest vilest people.

    [Why do you think, NICODEMUS [ the ruler of the jews] came IN SECRET of a night to seek out Yeshua and to discover WHY the Saviour's ministry was NOTHING LIKE his own, that He thought was from God....
    but it never worked as the Messiah's did,]
    There was a great gulf BETWEEN THESE 2 MEN ONE A SAVIOUR THE OTHER A RULER TO THE JEWS.
    The ''ruler of the jews'' LEARNT from Yeshua life saving information that was not available to the Jews under Moses.

    One thing I NOTICED WAS THERE WERE 2 goes at the stones being written upon at Sinai.
    The first lot written by the finger of God was broken in anger and thrown down in rage,

    The 2nd set humanly cut out by Moses [ a flawed human yet a wonderful man]
    The stones NEVER HAD the divine finger cut upon them but a human cut
    The first set of tablets were hewn and written upon by God.
    The second set were hewn by Moses, but again written upon by God.
    Exodus 34:28.
    I supposed if one wished to go deeper here, the flaws in Moses, as leader, revealed the flaws in the flock.
    Then Jehovah said to Moses:
    Carve out for yourself two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I must write upon the tablets the words that appeared on the first tablets, which you shattered (Exodus 34).
    27And Jehovah went on to say to Moses:
    Write down for yourself these words, because it is in accordance with these words that I do conclude a covenant with you and Israel.

    now this does SOUND WEIRD....[B] From the cloud-covered mountain, amidst thunder and lightning, the people overhear the voice of God saying the “Ten Words,” or Decalogue, to Moses.
    The Ten Words are not the laws themselves, but rather a sampling of divine pronouncements, offered so that the people may hear the divine voice speak to a prophet (Exodus 19:9–20:14).

    Stricken with terror, the people beg Moses to excuse them from listening any further to God’s voice and pledge to obey whatever Moses relays to them in God’s name.
    Moses agrees, assuring them that this is what he and God had in mind all along.
    Moses re-enters the thick cloud covering the mountaintop while the people remain at a distance (Exodus 20:15–18),

    WHY WOULD THEY BE STRICKENED WITH TERROR?



    [ not like the Gospel that has the divine will written within the red words as divine restoration energy pumping in and changing disciples when obeyed, that overcomes even physical death for those in the know]
    Last edited by LucySmith; 03-22-2016 at 11:52 PM.
    No television preacher has ever read the Bible.
    Neither has any evangelical politician.
    Neither has the pope.
    Neither have I. And neither have you.
    At best, we’ve all read a bad translation—a translation of translations of translations of hand-copied copies of copies of copies of copies, and on and on, hundreds of times.
    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/02/t...ys-294018.html

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    Father does not give a spirit of fear....[biblical fact]

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    those who think they are ''right and then make up their own views and rules'' that ''they consider'' must be obeyed.

    a rat cannot become a tomato
    a lawkeeper of Moses cannot be saved.

    I cannot understand why you simply don't get it????
    and as for those who do ''get it'' are considered the lowest vilest people.

    [Why do you think, NICODEMUS [ the ruler of the jews] came IN SECRET of a night to seek out Yeshua and to discover WHY the Saviour's ministry was NOTHING LIKE his own, that He thought was from God....
    but it never worked as the Messiah's did,]
    There was a great gulf BETWEEN THESE 2 MEN ONE A SAVIOUR THE OTHER A RULER TO THE JEWS.
    The ''ruler of the jews'' LEARNT from Yeshua life saving information that was not available to the Jews under Moses.

    One thing I NOTICED WAS THERE WERE 2 goes at the stones being written upon at Sinai.
    The first lot written by the finger of God was broken in anger and thrown down in rage,

    The 2nd set humanly cut out by Moses [ a flawed human yet a wonderful man]
    The stones NEVER HAD the divine finger cut upon them but a human cut
    The first set of tablets were hewn and written upon by God.
    The second set were hewn by Moses, but again written upon by God.
    Exodus 34:28.
    I supposed if one wished to go deeper here, the flaws in Moses, as leader, revealed the flaws in the flock.
    Then Jehovah said to Moses:
    Carve out for yourself two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I must write upon the tablets the words that appeared on the first tablets, which you shattered (Exodus 34).
    27And Jehovah went on to say to Moses:
    Write down for yourself these words, because it is in accordance with these words that I do conclude a covenant with you and Israel.

    now this does SOUND WEIRD.... From the cloud-covered mountain, amidst thunder and lightning, the people overhear the voice of God saying the “Ten Words,” or Decalogue, to Moses.
    The Ten Words are not the laws themselves, but rather a sampling of divine pronouncements, offered so that the people may hear the divine voice speak to a prophet (Exodus 19:9–20:14).

    Stricken with terror, the people beg Moses to excuse them from listening any further to God’s voice and pledge to obey whatever Moses relays to them in God’s name.
    Moses agrees, assuring them that this is what he and God had in mind all along.
    Moses re-enters the thick cloud covering the mountaintop while the people remain at a distance (Exodus 20:15–18),

    WHY WOULD THEY BE STRICKENED WITH TERROR?



    [ not like the Gospel that has the divine will written within the red words as divine restoration energy pumping in and changing disciples when obeyed, that overcomes even physical death for those in the know]
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    THE LAW OF MOSES TO THE JEWS... had hick-ups as its beginning.
    Moses comes down and has a hizzy fit, because the people he was to ''shepherd'' didnt know where he had gone for over 6 weeks... forgoodness sakes
    hmmm
    So he goes into some weirdo rage and iN this rage breaks the ''holy thing'' into bits.
    [COME ON] SUCH MELODRAMAS

    this type of demonic RAGE DOES NOT COME FROM Father either

    WHY WOULD THEY BE STRICKENED WITH TERROR?
    I asked this question... as I know FATHER does not give the spirit of fear....
    so what is going on here and this WHOLE BUNCH OF NEGATIVE ENERGIES so bad, the crowds are terrified

    From the cloud-covered mountain, amidst thunder and lightning, the people overhear the voice of God

    I hear each day and never once have I been afraid of His voice to His sheep.
    There is only one element that brings fears of this magnitude - the devil.

    As the spirit of fear is NOT within the agape love of His kingdom
    being ''terrified'' pumps out a vast array for gross darkness as food/energy for demons. THEY FEED off fear...
    the people beg Moses to excuse them from listening any further to God’s voice and pledge to obey whatever Moses relays to them in God’s name.
    If some person was to write today of their personal ufo exeriences I do believe it would sound very simular and almost copied from this description.
    The devil is negative DARK energy and sits within the minds of men who fear him.

    To be honest looking outside the box you would wonder ''what cruel god'' wrote this stuff .. with penalities for human frailities, of stoning, cutting off limbs, wars killings all over raping women killing children... hold on.. back up... come on.

    to have such cruel inhumane penalities - the laws of Moses to the Jews reveal UNBALANCED ENERGY....no doubts about this at all and this effect entered in right from its beginnings.
    those people NEVER STOOD A CHANCE of recovery from these harmful negative feeding frenzies the demons would love.
    No television preacher has ever read the Bible.
    Neither has any evangelical politician.
    Neither has the pope.
    Neither have I. And neither have you.
    At best, we’ve all read a bad translation—a translation of translations of translations of hand-copied copies of copies of copies of copies, and on and on, hundreds of times.
    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/02/t...ys-294018.html

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    Are you a Pharisis?

    Greetings Lucy, no I'm not a Pharisee. Are you a Pharisis? I hope not, and I do not make up rules either, I simply do the will of the Father YAHWEH Elohim.

    Now, you say that you love inspecting fruits, is it others fruits you like to inspect, and not your own fruits?

    Here below is one aspect of what Messiah Yah-Shua said of the bad fruiters, Lucy.

    Red words: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit . Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work LAWLESSNESS=SIN=G458 and G459.
    Matthew 7:13-23.

    Here above is the religious bad fruiters that practice lawlessness to Elohim's commands.

    The will of YAHWEH the Father in Heaven.

    Red words again: I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me . John 5:30. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 7:21. For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. Matthew 12:50.

    The Disciple John wrote: He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked...And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of Elohim abideth for ever. 1 John 2:3-17.

    Red words again: And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, Elohim:but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Yah-Shua said, , Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Matthew 19:17-19.

    This is why the Psalms say: The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, but lawlessness takes away lives. Psalms 11:30.

    Do you obey these commands by Messiah?

    To be sure it was Elohim who spoke the 10 commandments.

    Who really was this Elohim?

    You did not answer these two questions below with scriptures.

    What is it, that people are to repent of doing according to the scriptures?

    Did Moses believe in the Messiah according to the scriptures?

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    the ELOHIM are different

    from the OT 2 gods called ''the lord'' [ small l] and YhWh without vowels, religious people have put in to make up some sense of the name for themselves.

    The SON YESHUA AND HIS FATHER [ABBA] HAVE SHOWN forth their character in the NT under the gospel and its NEW COVENANT termed ''life in the spirit''
    To become ALIVE out from the dead and remain ALIVE AS YESHUA WAS ALIVE by the same POWER called RESURRECTION power.

    When Moses asked ''God of the burning bush '' fame '' who shall i say sent me'' the reply was
    ''I AM THAT I AM'' - how come the name was change now to YHWH?

    Somewhere THERE WAS A SWITCH..either by the hand of man or from 2 other power-like entities
    AND I INTENT TO FIND OUT how and why..
    a switch of laws [ to cruelity and bullying] like there was a switch of gospels to [''my gospel''- one of confusion and division]

    from ''I am that I am'' - to ''the lord'' and ''Yhwh''
    compared with
    from the GOSPEL GOOD-NEWS to the''my gospel'' of saul/paul that failed to produce christ within any of his ''my gospel believers'' for 2000yrs. and the law of Moses FAILED TO REDEEM AND CONVERT anyone.

    this word high jacked comes to mind.


    the 2 ''gods'' of the OT didnt have the mercy, forgiveness nor pity upon flawed creatures in the same manner as Yeshua and ABBA

    they are as different as night 2 day and no amount of covering up or excuses can make the 4 gel.

    the King of Kings says '' he will remove and shake everything THAT IS NOT OF HIMSELF'' and the revelation light is being shined up saul/paul and 2 OT''gods'' under the laws of Moses.


    as for what people need to repent of
    consider JOHN THE B and how His 1st word was ''REPENT'' - to the law keepers of Moses.
    who can explain such a word?
    REPENT WHY?
    FOR THE KINGDOM [DOMINION] IS AT HAND [ IS NOW REVEALED IN YESHUA THE SAVIOUR]

    THE dominion OF THE SAVIOUR WAS NOW EXPOSED TO THE DARKNESS of the devil and his kind. amen
    DOMINION NOT OF THE LAW of Moses- BUT OF HEAVEN.
    THE KING who sits upon the throne of all authority is not Moses BUT YESHUA THE KING OF GLORY.
    No television preacher has ever read the Bible.
    Neither has any evangelical politician.
    Neither has the pope.
    Neither have I. And neither have you.
    At best, we’ve all read a bad translation—a translation of translations of translations of hand-copied copies of copies of copies of copies, and on and on, hundreds of times.
    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/02/t...ys-294018.html

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    Messiah Yahweh-Savior Is The LORD Of The O.T.

    Greetings Lucy, my words are in black and blue, and the scriptures given are in red.

    You said...
    When Moses asked ''God of the burning bush '' fame '' who shall i say sent me'' the reply was ''I AM THAT I AM'' - how come the name was change now to YHWH?
    There was no change Lucy, Elohim gave Moses the meaning of His name first in Exodus 3:14, and Elohim gave His name to Moses in Exodus 3:15.

    And Elohim said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and He said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 14. And Elohim said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, YaHWeH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Exodus 3:14-15. There was no change in the scriptures, except the title of "LORD" was substituted in place of "YHWH" , the LXX Septuigent is the Greek translation of the Hebrew O.T. texts, and it will prove, there was no change in the over all scriptures.

    Who is the I AM? Will you believe Messiah Himself?

    Red Words from Messiah: Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Yah-Shua said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM . John 8:56-58. Messiah is the I AM.

    Red words again from Messiah: For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? John 5:46-47.

    Where is one place in Moses's writings that Moses wrote of Messiah?

    Here is Moses speaking: The LORD ( YHWH) thy God (Elohim} will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; Deuteronomy 18:15.

    Here is THE LORD=YHWH speaking to Moses: And the LORD( YHWH) said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee ( Moses), and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. Deuteronomy 18:17-19.

    Will you believe Stephen who was stoned to death in the book of Acts?

    For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which Elohim made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first Elohim, having raised up his Son Yah-Shua, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. Acts 3:22-26.

    Stephen says this again: This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. Acts 7:37.

    Will you believe the Book of Hebrews, and speaking of all the righteous men of old believing in Messiah?

    By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment. By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of Elohim, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. Hebrews 11:23-26.

    All the men of old believed in Messiah, according to the book of Hebrews.

    Will you believe Isaiah the prophet, and thee Apostle John?

    Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Yah-Shua did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world. John 6:14.

    The First And The Last.

    Red Words: Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. Isaiah 41:4. Also, Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. Isaiah 48:12.

    Red Words again: And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not;I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Revelation 1:17-18.

    Will you believe John the B. ?

    And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?... He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose... The next day John seeth Yah-Shua coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of Elohim, which taketh away the sin of the world. This is He of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for He was before me. John 1:21-30.

    Lucy, the apostle Peter said: To Him-Messiah give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. Acts 10:43.

    And you had better believe it, because all the prophets in the O.T. scriptures do bare witness of Messiah.

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    This is WHY the apostle John wrote... In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim, and the Word was Elohim. The same was in the beginning with Elohim. All things were made by Him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. ... He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not... ]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:1-14.

    Messiah is the Creator, according to the apostle John, and He-Messiah could in fact say, that He was the LORD OF THE SABBATH, because He is the Holy One Who made the Sabbath day. A fact of scriptures.

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    Who Is The Holy One?

    Who is the Holy One?

    In Acts 2 the apostle Peter spoke of the HOLY ONE.

    Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Yah-Shua of Nazareth, a man approved of Elohim among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which Elohim did by Him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:.. Whom Elohim hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it... Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither ]wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 2:22-27.

    Peter reaffirms again: But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; And killed the Prince of life, whom Elohim hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. Acts 3:14-15.

    Paul testifies the same as Peter.

    Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear Elohim, give audience... Of this man's seed hath Elohim according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Yah-Shua:... Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 13:16-35.

    Even the demons testify to the same HOLY ONE.

    Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God. Luke 4:34; Mark 1:24.

    I am the LORD( YHWH}, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King. Isaiah 43:15.

    There are just too many scriptures to prove this fact.

    See here... http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...e&page=2&t=KJV

    And here... http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...holy+one&t=KJV

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    Who Is The Saviour?

    Who is the Saviour?

    For I am the LORD(YHWH) thy God(Elohim), the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Isaiah 43:3.

    And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world. John 4:42.

    I'm not going to go through all these scriptures below.

    Scroll through all these below.

    http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...+saviour&t=KJV

    Lucy, suppose you tell us, is Messiah NOT the LORD of both the N.T. and the O.T.??

    I can quote you so many scriptures on this to line your entire living room walls with them.

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    i am sure you can Elijah

    and have a wallpaper of bible texts... good for you.

    the PRODIGAL son - is the Father's character showing forth MY FATHER....notice the fatted calf, the robe, the ring, the sandals, the Father running, watching, skirts flapping feet showing as He ran to His boy.....MY FATHER.

    THAT IS MY Father.
    THAT IS MY gospel Father and this character never changes for the 2 'gods' from the OT should have stoned the boy...

    YESHUA SAID to the woman taken in adultery, waiting to be stoned to death '' HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN, cast the first stone''

    THAT CHARACTER IS MY SAVIOUR WHO CAME NOT TO JUDGE BUT TO SAVE.
    Save the lost IS THE CHARACTER OF YESHUA.
    The character of Father and Yeshua, never changes we are told...well there is a vast discrepency within the OT and the NT.
    infact the cruelty is displayed upon flawed victims in the OT and the LOVE OF FATHER AND SON for their creation in the NT, from victims to victorious kings and priests. Hurrah.



    Now you can go quote one million pages of scriptures, paste them on ya walls but whatever is there DOES NOT SHOW THE CHARACTER AND THE FRUIT OF MY FATHER AND MY SAVIOUR.

    i am on the trail,
    but, like the 13th apostle [no such a person can exist] and the 2 gods of the OT - there is a rat smell and A SWITCH.

    the GOSPEL was highjacked
    the OT law was highjack, by 2 ''gods'' whose name we dont know and the other no man can pronounce.YHWH
    [dont FILL IN THE GAPS WITH VOWELS please]

    you see Elijah, to seek the truth and find it, [ as commanded] is not really reading it from a book AND CUT AND PASTING VERSE to make up a weird way to worship.
    because if this was so ~~~~none would need to seek nor find.

    and to seek the truth we find THE TRUTH IS A PERSON and that person THE WORD came not to judge but to save - the character of the TRUTH PERSON.

    now i know YOU CAN revile what i post, i dont mind, at all...... but... THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS WITHIN AND THE CORE YESHUA PREACHED, HIS MISSION as HEAVEN IN MAN here and then showed His peope how to attain this wonderful thing. amen

    the groups are the wheat and the tares.
    the wheat love the truth person
    the tares pretend, play church, read bibles and die in sin

    the wheat SEEK OUT THE TRUTH TO FIND IT.
    TO FIND MEANS to discover it for themselves because somehow the truth is not pre-conditioned by church theories and values.

    but carry on Elijah, you seem a nice person.... good luck with your endeavours.
    No television preacher has ever read the Bible.
    Neither has any evangelical politician.
    Neither has the pope.
    Neither have I. And neither have you.
    At best, we’ve all read a bad translation—a translation of translations of translations of hand-copied copies of copies of copies of copies, and on and on, hundreds of times.
    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/02/t...ys-294018.html

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    Your teaching a LAWLESS saviour.

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    and have a wallpaper of bible texts... good for you.

    the PRODIGAL son - is the Father's character showing forth MY FATHER....notice the fatted calf, the robe, the ring, the sandals, the Father running, watching, skirts flapping feet showing as He ran to His boy.....MY FATHER.

    THAT IS MY Father.
    THAT IS MY gospel Father and this character never changes for the 2 'gods' from the OT should have stoned the boy...

    YESHUA SAID to the woman taken in adultery, waiting to be stoned to death '' HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN, cast the first stone''

    THAT CHARACTER IS MY SAVIOUR WHO CAME NOT TO JUDGE BUT TO SAVE.
    Save the lost IS THE CHARACTER OF YESHUA.
    The character if Father and Yeshua, never changes we are told...well there is a vast discrepency within the OT and the NT.
    infact the cruelty is displayed upon flawed victims in the OT and the LOVE OF FATHER AND SON for their creation in the NT, from victims to victorious kings and priests. Hurrah.



    Now you can go quote one million pages of scriptures, paste them on ya walls but whatever is there DOES NOT SHOW THE CHARACTER AND THE FRUIT OF MY FATHER AND MY SAVIOUR.

    i am on the trail,
    but, like the 13th apostle [no such a person can exist] and the 2 gods of the OT - there is a rat smell.

    the GOSPEL was highjacked
    the OT law was highjack, by 2 ''gods'' whose name we dont know and the other no man can pronounce.YHWH
    [dont FILL IN THE GAPS WITH VOWELS please]

    you see Elijah, to seek the truth and find it, [ as commanded] is not really reading it from a book.
    because if this was so ~~~~none would need to seek nor find.

    and to seek the truth we find THE TRUTH IS A PERSON and that person THE WORD came not to judge but to save - the character of the TRUTH PERSON.

    now i know YOU CAN revile what i post, i dont mind, at all...... but... THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS WITHIN AND THE CORE YESHUA PREACHED, HIS MISSION as HEAVEN IN MAN here and then showed His peope how to attain this wonderful thing. amen
    Lucy, your teaching a lawless savior as was spoken about in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8.

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