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    Lucy, Stephen and Hebrews testifies against your teachings.

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    nothing you do pleases this Yahweh- rather like a wicked godmother...
    Fear has kept so many sincere people in bondage; stuck in old paradigms, where there is no spiritual life or maturity.
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    why are they so afraid = because of church indoctrinations,
    however, lets take some scales of those religious eyeballs...A Biblical description of Jehovah landing on a mountaintop describes him this way:

    . .. there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the sound of the trumpet was exceedingly loud; and all of the people that were in the camp trembled.
    A trumpet-like sound accompanied many appearances of Jehovah.
    And Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the lower part of the mountain.
    And Mount Sinai was altogether covered with smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire: and the smoke from the fire billowed upwards like the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mountain quaked greatly.
    GENESIS 19:16-19

    If an ancient Hebrew were to observe the rumbling, smoke, and flame of a modern rocketship, the description would not have been much different than this Biblical narrative of Jehovah. A later visit by Jehovah contained the same phenomena:
    And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they moved away and stood far off.
    GENESIS 20:18
    Lest it be assumed that these descriptions might be of a volcano, further sightings reveal that Jehovah was a moving object:
    And the Lord travelled before them [the Hebrew tribes] by day in a pillar of cloud, to lead them the way; by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night

    He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, or the pillar of fire by night, from in front of the people.
    EXODUS 13:21-22

    Exodus 14:24, 40:34-38, and Numbers 19:1-23 contain identical descriptions of Jehovah as he led the Hebrew tribes to the Promised Land.
    The ancient Hebrew eyewitnesses responsible for the above descriptions were not able to get a closer look at Jehovah.
    The Bible points out that no one was permitted to approach Jehovah’s mountaintop landing sites except Moses and a few select leaders.
    Jehovah had threatened to kill anyone else who tried.
    The early Bible therefore contains only descriptions of Jehovah as eyewitnesses saw him from a distance.

    The Gods and Their Flying Machines
    so what did Ezekiel see,?
    Attachment 231
    made from the bible descriptions
    It was not until much later that one of the Bible’s most famous prophets, Ezekiel, was able to get a closer look and describe Jehovah in greater detail.
    Hi Lucy, Stephen and the writer of Hebrews testifies against your teachings about Moses. Was not Moses a man of FAITH? Why do you disdain and falsely teach against Moses? Ken
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah determines those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses. So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    could this be.................ancient technology at work

    There is none like the mighty ones of [Israel], who ride from outer space to your help and through the skies, majestically.” Deu 33:26

    “To Him who rides through the distant cosmos which is from ancient times...His strength is in the skies.” Psa 68:33,34

    “Behold, Yahweh is riding on a swift cloud...” Isa 19:1

    “And He rode upon a cherub and flew; and He sped on the wings of the wind.” Psa 18:10 & II Sam 22:11

    “Who are these [mighty ones] who fly like a cloud, and like the doves to their perches?” Isa 60:8

    “He lays the beams of his upper chambers in the [cosmic] waters; He makes the clouds his chariot; He walks upon the wings of the wind; He makes the winds his emissaries and blazing fire his servants.” Psa 104:3,4

    “Behold, Yahweh will come in fiery chariots like the whirlwind.” Isa 66:15

    “Behold, he goes up like clouds; his chariots (are) like the whirlwind and his horses are swifter than eagles.” Jer 4:13

    “The chariots of the mighty ones are myriads, thousands upon thousands; Yahweh is among them.” Psa 68:17




    all this fear and thunder and clouds of smoke.... notice Yeshua never used one such tactic?
    do you think it a little odd
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    Lucy, there you go, misinforming us again.

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    There is none like the mighty ones of [Israel], who ride from outer space to your help and through the skies, majestically.” Deu 33:26

    “To Him who rides through the distant cosmos which is from ancient times...His strength is in the skies.” Psa 68:33,34

    “Behold, Yahweh is riding on a swift cloud...” Isa 19:1

    “And He rode upon a cherub and flew; and He sped on the wings of the wind.” Psa 18:10 & II Sam 22:11

    “Who are these [mighty ones] who fly like a cloud, and like the doves to their perches?” Isa 60:8

    “He lays the beams of his upper chambers in the [cosmic] waters; He makes the clouds his chariot; He walks upon the wings of the wind; He makes the winds his emissaries and blazing fire his servants.” Psa 104:3,4

    “Behold, Yahweh will come in fiery chariots like the whirlwind.” Isa 66:15

    “Behold, he goes up like clouds; his chariots (are) like the whirlwind and his horses are swifter than eagles.” Jer 4:13

    “The chariots of the mighty ones are myriads, thousands upon thousands; Yahweh is among them.” Psa 68:17




    all this fear and thunder and clouds of smoke.... notice Yeshua never used one such tactic?
    do you think it a little odd
    Hi Lucy, Yahweh of the OT IS Yeshua of the NT, and the message is the same. Yeshua's "tactic" in describing His "return" is the same found in the OT...fear, clouds, and thunder:

    Luk 21:25-27
    (25) And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
    (26) Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
    (27) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

    Heb 12:25-29
    (25) See that ye refuse not Him (Messiah Yeshua) that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused Him that spake on earth (Yahweh), much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him (Messiah Yeshua) that speaketh from heaven:
    (26) Whose voice then shook the earth (At Mount Sinai): but now He hath promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."
    (27) And this Word, "Yet once more," signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
    (28) Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve Elohim acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
    (29) For our Elohim is a consuming fire.

    Rev 1:5-8
    (5) And from Messiah Yeshua, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto Him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
    (6) And hath made us kings and priests unto Elohim and His Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
    (7) Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.
    (8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith Yahweh, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

    Rev 19:6-7
    (6) And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for Yahweh Elohim omnipotent reigneth.
    (7) Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to Him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and His Wife hath made herself ready.

    That's right Lucy, your teaching that Yahweh of the OT was a "space alien" should also teach that Yeshua of the NT is a "space alien," as they BOTH come with fire, clouds, roaring, thunderings, and fear among those who see this "consuming FIRE" coming at them. Why is it that you have such big "blinders" on my Dear? Ken
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah determines those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses. So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    The gods.... "Whoever has the weapons wins the war

    The Bible warns that at the time of the end, high technology would be used to fool the masses of the world into giving up their freedoms in exchange for their "security."

    William Cohen, then Secretary of Defense, warned that

    "certain people" had the technology to cause earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, creating storms, steering hurricanes, and now we know to create FIRESTORMS via laser or particle beam weapons can be used with pinpoint accuracy to destroy a specific area that is slated under Agenda 21/30 to be redesigned or re-wilded. The witnesses claimed thet saw "blue flashes" or "blue lightning" and then suddenly the fires would exlpode in front of them. Firefighters are also saying they have seen nothing like it. What is going on? Hurricanes, wildfires, floods world wide, and the Bible says that there are those who rise up against Him and who
    DESTROY THE EARTH


    the lost knowledge of the ancients
    opps
    not 'aliens'' but men....same as it was 3500+ years ago. called advanced technology that fool the masses.
    as for Revelation - SEEMS the inserts of man with a fiery alien agenda,, scars the uneducated.
    THE FEAR MONGERING god is always good for a laugh.....keeps the gullible in tow.
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    the YOKE OF IGNORANCE... traps the perishing religionists from lack of knowledge...

    ''give me that old time religion''
    No longer works, ON THE WISE who understand.
    It may well have done for 2000yrs.... but as knowledge increases, those old un-anointed versions FROM the bible ''clergy'' explanations don't wash.

    Then the fourth angel blew; and a third of the sun and a third of the moon and a third of the stars were blasted, so that a third of them was eclipsed, and for a third part of the day there was no light, and at night it was the same. - Revelation 8:12
    well... seems like an angry god doing his thing so well - destruction.~~~~ofcourse we MUST HAVE THE FEAR FACTOR... it controls the ignorant.
    "One deed destroyed 90 cities by heat!"
    "The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth--men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air, for I am grieved that I have made them."
    Genesis 6......

    Gurkha, flying a swift and powerful vimana hurled a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe.
    An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as the thousand suns rose in all its splendor... a perpendicular explosion with its billowing smoke clouds...the cloud of smoke rising after its first explosion formed into expanding round circles like the opening of giant parasols.
    it was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.
    ...The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable.
    The hair and nails fell out; pottery broke without apparent cause, and the birds turned white. After a few hours all foodstuffs were infected... to escape from this fire.
    The soldiers threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment.
    these are Ancient verses from the Mahabharata: (6500 B.C.?)
    and todays news from fire ravaged California...
    officials are making grim discoveries -- victims burnt beyond recognition -- as they search blackened ruins of some of the 5,700 homes and business that have been destroyed.

    "Some of (the remains) are merely ashes and bones," Sonoma County Sheriff Rob Giordano said at a Thursday news conference. "And we may never get truly confirmative identification on ashes. When you're cremated, you can't get an ID."
    makes you wonder - if you are intelligent that is


    Why do old images of Moses show him with horns and nowadays the Devil is shown with horns?
    ask?
    Would a Christian today get upset if you showed them this image?

    What is this all about, this angry egotistical unreasonable very human OT god that is ''he who must be obeyed'' otherwise be killed.
    Its about man/myth and inserted verses of fear mongering, from ancient technology, that some very skilled people are now revealing.....
    Its about an electric universe and those THUNDERBOLTS from the gods PLUS those nuked areas of the ancient past, that have been found and studied.

    its all about Plasma Cosmology and FREQUENCY weapons used by the very advanced human ancients...called ''gods'' that showed up/visited the ''not-so-wise tribal plebs''. ~

    are there PLASMA verses in the OT... YES

    the-burning-bush.jpg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuUJwFLUpS0
    looks so supernatural.....In the case of Moses the alignment of the air molecules was so perfect, that the "plasma" was not hot and don't consumed the bush....when you know the answer the ''miracle'' is ~~~~a micro wave beam
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    . He gave us His son to give us an abundant life but it can be found only in Him.
    Rest, be still, and know that He is your God.
    The secret is in truly knowing Him and that takes intimacy.

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    Lucy, Song of Moses?

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    ''give me that old time religion''
    No longer works, ON THE WISE who understand.
    It may well have done for 2000yrs.... but as knowledge increases, those old un-anointed versions FROM the bible ''clergy'' explanations don't wash.


    well... seems like an angry god doing his thing so well - destruction.~~~~ofcourse we MUST HAVE THE FEAR FACTOR... it controls the ignorant.
    "One deed destroyed 90 cities by heat!"


    and todays news from fire ravaged California...
    officials are making grim discoveries -- victims burnt beyond recognition -- as they search blackened ruins of some of the 5,700 homes and business that have been destroyed.

    "Some of (the remains) are merely ashes and bones," Sonoma County Sheriff Rob Giordano said at a Thursday news conference. "And we may never get truly confirmative identification on ashes. When you're cremated, you can't get an ID."
    makes you wonder - if you are intelligent that is

    Why do old images of Moses show him with horns and nowadays the Devil is shown with horns?
    ask?
    Would a Christian today get upset if you showed them this image?

    What is this all about, this angry egotistical unreasonable very human OT god that is ''he who must be obeyed'' otherwise be killed.
    Its about man/myth and inserted verses of fear mongering, from ancient technology, that some very skilled people are now revealing.....
    Its about an electric universe and those THUNDERBOLTS from the gods PLUS those nuked areas of the ancient past, that have been found and studied.

    its all about Plasma Cosmology and FREQUENCY weapons used by the very advanced human ancients...called ''gods'' that showed up/visited the ''not-so-wise tribal plebs''. ~

    are there PLASMA verses in the OT... YES

    the-burning-bush.jpg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuUJwFLUpS0
    looks so supernatural.....In the case of Moses the alignment of the air molecules was so perfect, that the "plasma" was not hot and don't consumed the bush....when you know the answer the ''miracle'' is ~~~~a micro wave beam
    Hi Lucy, do you suspect that you will ever have victory over the beast, and over it's image, and over the number of it's name (Rev 15:2)? Do you also suspect that you will ever sing the Song of Moses (Rev 15:3)? Ken
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah determines those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses. So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    hmmm interesting question IAH

    Quote Originally Posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Hi Lucy, do you suspect that you will ever have victory over the beast, and over it's image, and over the number of it's name (Rev 15:2)?
    Do you also suspect that you will ever sing the Song of Moses (Rev 15:3)? Ken
    the victory song of Moses.....hmmmm....
    I wondered how this song would go in real life?

    ofcourse~~~knowing there were millions of corpses laying in Egypt who had never done you any personal harm,
    but destroyed upon a whim of YAHWEH
    WHEN a far kinder way could have been possible THAN rather than ''hardening Pharaoh's mind'' - obviously using an ancient MIND CONTROL technique-
    why not just allow'' the people'' to go.

    I never find any ''VICTORY''' within the acts of MURDERING PEOPLE... nor did Yeshua.
    Be determined to come into our resting place in God
    . He gave us His son to give us an abundant life but it can be found only in Him.
    Rest, be still, and know that He is your God.
    The secret is in truly knowing Him and that takes intimacy.

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    so amazing how evil becomes good and evil is victorious?

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    the victory song of Moses.....hmmmm....
    I wondered how this song would go in real life?

    ofcourse~~~knowing there were millions of corpses laying in Egypt who had never done you any personal harm,
    but destroyed upon a whim of YAHWEH
    WHEN a far kinder way could have been possible THAN rather than ''hardening Pharaoh's mind'' - obviously using an ancient MIND CONTROL technique-
    why not just allow'' the people'' to go.

    I never find any ''VICTORY''' within the acts of MURDERING PEOPLE... nor did Yeshua.


    can you explain it IAH?
    I bet you can, ie. I just know you are playing the part of a Isrealite 3500yrs + ago....

    I wondered how leaving THE suffering THE dying and THE dead of all 1st born humans and animals in a whole nation would be considered as GOOD and VICTORIOUS and then have a good old sing-a-long over it?
    ofcourse
    the ''secret '' could be from Cecil B DeMille movie and his Hollywood blockbuster.. ''the 10 commandments''.... NOTHING LIKE A GOOD MOVIE TO TAME THE CONSCIOUS AND SHOUT ''RAH RAH'' for the ''victors''
    I think that is why Hollywood has produced 1800+ war movies since WW2 [ so I read]

    ofcourse,
    ''they '' asked Charlton Heston if he was changed or turned to be a Christian from his role in that movie and his reply was ''OH NO I WAS ONLY PLAYING A ROLE''

    hmm lots of play acting that's for sure.
    * Yahweh the murderer
    * Moses the incest victim aka - murderer - but now converted into divine leadership
    * the former slaves [ Egypt didn't have slave to work free = but hey that's history, let it not get in the way of a good story] over 600,000 men + wives and children and hangers on left ..how many - over 1/3 of Egypt disappeared and not one mentioned of this catastrophic affaire from all their very detailed records.
    NOT A MURMUR.... life carried on in Egypt as the sick and the dying needed to be looked after and millions buried.......oppps.....but alas this is never recorded in Egyptian history. amazing~~~~

    perhaps the bible story tellers missed some facts ...[was Moses a Myth.com]

    When our American west was being settled, wagon trains followed the various
    trails. A typical wagon train could have had some 250 people in it and was a
    quarter of a mile or so in length. Thus, if a wagon train were extended to a
    mile in length, there could theoretically be nearly 1000 people in it
    (though in practical terms there would no doubt be less). But Israel
    supposedly numbered two and a half million people if all the people of the
    censuses were then living. But Moses promised the king of Edom that "we will
    not pass through the fields, or vineyard. . .we will not turn to the right
    hand nor to the left" (Numbers 20:17). In other words, Moses said that
    Israel would stay directly on the narrow road through the country of Edom.
    If one mile of road could hold about 1000 Israelites with wagons, etc.
    (which is very reasonable), then the length of the Israelite march would be
    at least 2,500 miles long. Such a length of people would stretch from Egypt
    to the border of China. This, of course, is hardly possible. Even if the
    wagons went ten abreast, the train would still be 250 miles long. If they
    journeyed a hundred wagon abreast, such a massive wagon train of Israelites
    would still be 25 miles long. As anyone can see, Israel would never have
    been able to stay on the roads with such a mass of people. Yet Moses told
    the king of Edom that Israel would never step off a single road through his
    territory.


    can you explain this IAH - did you do your math?
    oh here is a good question for you IAH = shall a man be more pure than his maker?" Job 4:17
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    dear IAH i do hope you can answer some thorny ?s

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    can you explain it IAH?
    I bet you can, ie. I just know you are playing the part of a Isrealite 3500yrs + ago....

    I wondered how leaving THE suffering THE dying and THE dead of all 1st born humans and animals in a whole nation would be considered as GOOD and VICTORIOUS and then have a good old sing-a-long over it?
    ofcourse
    the ''secret '' could be from Cecil B DeMille movie and his Hollywood blockbuster.. ''the 10 commandments''.... NOTHING LIKE A GOOD MOVIE TO TAME THE CONSCIOUS AND SHOUT ''RAH RAH'' for the ''victors''
    I think that is why Hollywood has produced 1800+ war movies since WW2 [ so I read]

    ofcourse,
    ''they '' asked Charlton Heston if he was changed or turned to be a Christian from his role in that movie and his reply was ''OH NO I WAS ONLY PLAYING A ROLE''

    hmm lots of play acting that's for sure.
    * Yahweh the murderer
    * Moses the incest victim aka - murderer - but now converted into divine leadership
    * the former slaves [ Egypt didn't have slave to work free = but hey that's history, let it not get in the way of a good story] over 600,000 men + wives and children and hangers on left ..how many - over 1/3 of Egypt disappeared and not one mentioned of this catastrophic affaire from all their very detailed records.
    NOT A MURMUR.... life carried on in Egypt as the sick and the dying needed to be looked after and millions buried.......oppps.....but alas this is never recorded in Egyptian history. amazing~~~~

    perhaps the bible story tellers missed some facts ...[was Moses a Myth.com]

    When our American west was being settled, wagon trains followed the various
    trails. A typical wagon train could have had some 250 people in it and was a
    quarter of a mile or so in length. Thus, if a wagon train were extended to a
    mile in length, there could theoretically be nearly 1000 people in it
    (though in practical terms there would no doubt be less). But Israel
    supposedly numbered two and a half million people if all the people of the
    censuses were then living. But Moses promised the king of Edom that "we will
    not pass through the fields, or vineyard. . .we will not turn to the right
    hand nor to the left" (Numbers 20:17). In other words, Moses said that
    Israel would stay directly on the narrow road through the country of Edom.
    If one mile of road could hold about 1000 Israelites with wagons, etc.
    (which is very reasonable), then the length of the Israelite march would be
    at least 2,500 miles long. Such a length of people would stretch from Egypt
    to the border of China. This, of course, is hardly possible. Even if the
    wagons went ten abreast, the train would still be 250 miles long. If they
    journeyed a hundred wagon abreast, such a massive wagon train of Israelites
    would still be 25 miles long. As anyone can see, Israel would never have
    been able to stay on the roads with such a mass of people. Yet Moses told
    the king of Edom that Israel would never step off a single road through his
    territory.


    can you explain this IAH - did you do your math?
    oh here is a good question for you IAH = shall a man be more pure than his maker?" Job 4:17


    now how about we investigate this little problem [btw I got heaps more]



    "…as Yahveh got angry with his chosen, whom he had repeatedly promised to bring into Canaan, and he caused every one of them, except Joshua and Caleb, to die in the wilderness, there were on the average 1700 deaths and funerals per day for forty years, at the rate of 72 per hour, more than one for every minute of every day; and all the corpses must also be carried “without the camp” for burial, an average of six miles going and returning.

    And as the census taken at the end of the forty years shows but a slight decrease in numbers from that taken at the beginning, the entire host was renewed by a birth-rate of over one a minute for forty years; and all the debris must be lugged without the camp and disposed of"

    - James Wheless (Is It God's Word?)
    Be determined to come into our resting place in God
    . He gave us His son to give us an abundant life but it can be found only in Him.
    Rest, be still, and know that He is your God.
    The secret is in truly knowing Him and that takes intimacy.

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    Lucy, just the facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    now how about we investigate this little problem [btw I got heaps more]



    "…as Yahveh got angry with his chosen, whom he had repeatedly promised to bring into Canaan, and he caused every one of them, except Joshua and Caleb, to die in the wilderness, there were on the average 1700 deaths and funerals per day for forty years, at the rate of 72 per hour, more than one for every minute of every day; and all the corpses must also be carried “without the camp” for burial, an average of six miles going and returning.

    And as the census taken at the end of the forty years shows but a slight decrease in numbers from that taken at the beginning, the entire host was renewed by a birth-rate of over one a minute for forty years; and all the debris must be lugged without the camp and disposed of"

    - James Wheless (Is It God's Word?)
    Hi Lucy, why keep quoting from people who distort, or do not know the facts. ONLY those who were 20 years or older died in the wilderness, not “every one of them.” And as far as burying them, maybe the ground “opened” up and swallowed the majority of them? But then, he is probably the type that would deny walking on water, feeding 5000 with a few fish and a couple loaves of bread, or even casting demons into swine. Ken
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah determines those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses. So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    IAH he is thinking outside of the box

    Quote Originally Posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Hi Lucy, why keep quoting from people who distort, or do not know the facts. ONLY those who were 20 years or older died in the wilderness, not “every one of them.” And as far as burying them, maybe the ground “opened” up and swallowed the majority of them? But then, he is probably the type that would deny walking on water, feeding 5000 with a few fish and a couple loaves of bread, or even casting demons into swine. Ken
    and questioning the probabilities....and when you ''see'' his discernment, you can see the possibility its all made up and a myth or an exaggerated truth......

    I guess when '''they'' were writing this story '' they forgot'' smart people use their brain
    But Moses promised the king of Edom that "we will
    not pass through the fields, or vineyard. . .we will not turn to the right
    hand nor to the left" (Numbers 20:17). In other words, Moses said that
    Israel would stay directly on the narrow road through the country of Edom.
    If one mile of road could hold about 1000 Israelites with wagons, etc.
    (which is very reasonable), then the length of the Israelite march would be
    at least 2,500 miles long. Such a length of people would stretch from Egypt
    to the border of China.
    Be determined to come into our resting place in God
    . He gave us His son to give us an abundant life but it can be found only in Him.
    Rest, be still, and know that He is your God.
    The secret is in truly knowing Him and that takes intimacy.

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    Lucy, did Yeshua think Moses exaggerated the Truth?

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    and questioning the probabilities....and when you ''see'' his discernment, you can see the possibility its all made up and a myth or an exaggerated truth......

    I guess when '''they'' were writing this story '' they forgot'' smart people use their brain
    Hi Lucy, did Yeshua think Moses exaggerated the Truth:

    Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
    Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

    Yes Lucy, Yeshua saw right through all the “exaggerations” of Moses, didn’t He? Ken
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah determines those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses. So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    questions to pose..IAH

    Quote Originally Posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Hi Lucy, did Yeshua think Moses exaggerated the Truth:

    Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
    Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

    Yes Lucy, Yeshua saw right through all the “exaggerations” of Moses, didn’t He? Ken
    well IAH
    * why didn't the whole nation SUDDENLY CONVERT when Jesus appeared and Preached infront of them
    * WHY DONT THE JEWS today BELIEVE IN YESHUA AND HIS SALVATION and still don't as a nation
    hmmm
    THEY SHOULD HAVE READ MOSES AND JUMPED FOR JOY and shouted ''HURRAH HURRAH'' we are free ''look its all there in the law of Moses''
    NO they never did and still don't today and can READ JOHN 3 AND 5 FOR THEMSELVES = but as a nation will not change
    hmmm
    perhaps ''they'''' [the jewish masses] didn't read john 3 v 14 and john 5 v 46 naughty and FAILED to understand MOSES for themselves
    if the truth be known what if the verse were INSERTED [as a corruption] with lying scribes putting in their 2 cents worth.
    BTW
    IAH you have avoided the puzzle of how millions of people
    supposedly numbered two and a half million people if all the people of the
    censuses were then living. But Moses promised the king of Edom that "we will
    not pass through the fields, or vineyard. . .we will not turn to the right
    hand nor to the left" (Numbers 20:17). In other words, Moses said that
    Israel would stay directly on the narrow road through the country of Edom.
    If one mile of road could hold about 1000 Israelites with wagons, etc.
    (which is very reasonable), then the length of the Israelite march would be
    at least 2,500 miles long. Such a length of people would stretch from Egypt
    to the border of China. This, of course, is hardly possible. Even if the
    wagons went ten abreast, the train would still be 250 miles long. If they
    journeyed a hundred wagon abreast, such a massive wagon train of Israelites
    would still be 25 miles long. As anyone can see, Israel would never have
    been able to stay on the roads with such a mass of people. Yet Moses told
    the king of Edom that Israel would never step off a single road through his
    territory.
    can you explain this IAH....
    Be determined to come into our resting place in God
    . He gave us His son to give us an abundant life but it can be found only in Him.
    Rest, be still, and know that He is your God.
    The secret is in truly knowing Him and that takes intimacy.

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    Lucy, they had blinders on.

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    well IAH
    * why didn't the whole nation SUDDENLY CONVERT when Jesus appeared and Preached infront of them
    * WHY DONT THE JEWS today BELIEVE IN YESHUA AND HIS SALVATION and still don't as a nation
    hmmm
    THEY SHOULD HAVE READ MOSES AND JUMPED FOR JOY and shouted ''HURRAH HURRAH'' we are free ''look its all there in the law of Moses''
    NO there never did

    perhaps ''they'''' [the jewish masses] didn't read john 3 v 14 and john 5 v 46 naughty and FAILED to understand MOSES for themselves

    BTW
    IAH you have avoided the puzzle of how millions of people
    Hi Lucy, they had blinders on just like everyone who has not been given the Spirit. There is only an "elect" that has been given the ability to "read" Moses, and understand him as did Yeshua. Most think Moses was not worth reading or listening to. They have no idea what Yeshua saw that Moses wrote. Ken
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah determines those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses. So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    Lucy, if I answer your puzzle with an answer you approve of, will you relent?

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    well IAH
    * why didn't the whole nation SUDDENLY CONVERT when Jesus appeared and Preached infront of them
    * WHY DONT THE JEWS today BELIEVE IN YESHUA AND HIS SALVATION and still don't as a nation
    hmmm
    THEY SHOULD HAVE READ MOSES AND JUMPED FOR JOY and shouted ''HURRAH HURRAH'' we are free ''look its all there in the law of Moses''
    NO there never did

    perhaps ''they'''' [the jewish masses] didn't read john 3 v 14 and john 5 v 46 naughty and FAILED to understand MOSES for themselves

    BTW
    IAH you have avoided the puzzle of how millions of people


    can you explain this IAH....
    Hi Lucy, if I give you an answer to your puzzle that you approve of, will you then relent of your disdain and hatred of Yahweh and Moses? Ken
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah determines those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses. So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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