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    Yeshua own word on false apostle saul who renamed himself Paul

    Yeshua in Revelation 2:2
    mentions a trial at Ephesus of persons who told the Ephesians they were apostles.
    The verdict found those "saying they were apostles" were not true apostles, proving Jesus concurs that a self-serving claim to apostleship does not suffice to prove it is so.


    Jesus told the Ephesians:
    I have known thy works, and thy labour, and thy endurance, and that thou art not able to bear evil ones, and that thou hast tried those saying themselves to be apostles and are not, and hast found them liars. (Rev. 2:2.)

    In Revelation, Jesus did not say the same thing to any of the other six churches whom He addressed.
    Jesus made this remark to the only church among the seven whom we know Paul visited:
    the church at Ephesus.
    And among the seven churches, it was only the church at Ephesus whom we know Paul told that he was an apostle. (Eph. 1:1.)


    Paul wrote this church:
    From Paul, chosen by God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus. To God's people who live in Ephesus and are faithful followers of Christ Jesus. (Ephesians 1:1 )

    If Paul were the object of Jesus' remarks in Rev. 2:2,
    it then makes sense that only the church at Ephesus would be commended for trying someone who told the Ephesians that he was an apostle.
    To the Ephesians, and to them alone, Jesus commends them for testing the ones who "said" they were apostles and are not, but are "liars."

    Now it was to the Ephesians that we likewise know Paul `said he was an apostle....

    you cannot get any more information than from the lips of Yeshua who is false~~~~ SAUL
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    No television preacher has ever read the Bible.
    Neither has any evangelical politician.
    Neither has the pope.
    Neither have I. And neither have you.
    At best, we’ve all read a bad translation—a translation of translations of translations of hand-copied copies of copies of copies of copies, and on and on, hundreds of times.
    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/02/t...ys-294018.html

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    Could There Ever Be A 13th Apostle

    Could There Ever Be A 13th Apostle

    It is also clear from Acts that the Apostles themselves understood their number was set at twelve,
    but that this did not include Paul.

    Long before Revelation 2:2 was written, we know from Acts 1:21-26 that the twelfth apostle--Matthias--was chosen to replace Judas.
    The apostles' criteria for the replacement was that it had to be someone who was with the others from the beginning of Jesus' ministry.
    Luke reveals therefore that the eleven had a criteria that would likewise exclude adding Paul as an apostle.


    Then Jesus in the Book of Revelation reveals twelve is the number of apostles for all time.
    The verse of Revelation 21:14 follows the mention of the twelve gates of the New Jerusalem.
    Each gate has a name of the twelve tribes of Israel on it.

    Revelation 21:14 then says:
    The city was built on twelve foundation stones.
    On each of the stones was written the name of one of the Lamb's twelve apostles.
    (Rev. 21:14.)

    saul was never prt of the 12
    yes his letters are in NT bible- as he was a master builder=aka =33Deg freemason with an agenda to create chaos and disorder - a plan that was worked so well on the hypnotised pews.
    No television preacher has ever read the Bible.
    Neither has any evangelical politician.
    Neither has the pope.
    Neither have I. And neither have you.
    At best, we’ve all read a bad translation—a translation of translations of translations of hand-copied copies of copies of copies of copies, and on and on, hundreds of times.
    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/02/t...ys-294018.html

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    what happens is the pews are under a very strick control system

    shut up or ship out
    the bible has one verse inside it that says
    All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness
    2 tim 3 v 16
    a total lie

    so the pews who cannot walk in His manifested presence each day to feel HIS BLESSING AND LOVE AND CARING
    = cling to the bible verses never thinking it is filled with inconsistencies and all manner of corruptions - they are mind controlled not to ask questions
    BUT YESHUA IS HAPPY TO SEE HIS TRUTH SEEKER find out the real truth for themselves and it is basically like nothing the church believes
    No television preacher has ever read the Bible.
    Neither has any evangelical politician.
    Neither has the pope.
    Neither have I. And neither have you.
    At best, we’ve all read a bad translation—a translation of translations of translations of hand-copied copies of copies of copies of copies, and on and on, hundreds of times.
    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/02/t...ys-294018.html

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    the KEY of all true knowledge must be kept hidden at all costs

    and so enter Saul the murderer,
    THE MASONIC CONTROLLER
    it doesn't take much to control an entire world especially when you had control of everybody's education since the very beginning.
    Many people are not aware that their Church is preaching falsehoods.
    Do you really think Satan would allow the Christian community to have the untainted truth?

    After Christ left the world they went to work on His life story and what He taught.
    Rewriting even deleting His word.

    The "original sin" was created to keep us away from knowledge~~~
    THERE WAS NO original sin, all the trees and the whole of creation was termed good and GOOD TO EAT FROM
    UNTIL
    the entrance on stage left of YHWH Elohim
    SO suddenly on his ''authority'' alone ''dos and donts'' became normal - SO CAPTIVES WERE FORMED and housed inside a jail of donts.


    The making of a Robot [forbidden knowledge]

    Where do you start if you want total control of the minds, bodies and souls of a country?
    You start with the children.
    Both schools and churches educate the masses.
    As you further your studies you will realize that this isn't good for the people.
    In fact, it turns people into robots.
    Robots that do not question what they are taught.

    How do you perform this systematic brainwashing of the children?
    First you have to start by getting full control of the schools.
    You have to be able to force the use of your materials, your methods and your value system.
    Teachers must be indoctrinated in college and enrolled into a strong socialist organization to keep them straight.

    The teachers are convinced that top educators and the centralized government know what's best for your children.
    To handle teachers not indoctrinated, you need to punish those who would rebel, first by controlling their funding and then by passing laws which force them to use your "system".

    Next, you make sure that the parents are happy with what you are doing.
    HOW?
    What do you tell the parents?
    You announce a revolutionary new approach to teaching.
    You tell the parents that you are going to make dramatic improvements. Y
    ou use positive, flowery words to put the proper "spin" on what you are doing.

    You then tell the parents that this approach will help the children be more tolerant and understanding of others.
    The children will be taught social skills such as conflict resolution, self esteem, etc..

    What does that REALLY mean?
    You teach the children that people have different values and that no set of values is superior, just a different way of looking at things.
    Christians are no better than Buddhists who are no better than Satanic Cults.
    It's all just a "different way of viewing the world".

    You know that to control people, you have to get them to stop thinking for themselves but to think for the collective good.
    How do you do that?
    You teach the children in groups.
    You teach only at the level of the least intelligent.
    The goal is to "dumb down" the children and get them used to working only for the good of "the group".

    School is nothing more than an essential support system for model of social engineering that condemns most people to be subordinate stones in a pyramidal social order.
    It prepares a person from the cradle to a job in the adult world.
    If you are taught lies as truth you will live the lie thinking it is the truth.

    Competition, suppression and intimidation is where the mass education system is rooted.
    Such a system cannot support democracy, it cannot support a fair society.

    The education system divides and classifies people.
    It demands that people compulsively compete with each other and publicly labeling losers by literally degrading them, identifying them as "low-class" material.
    "The bottom line for the winners is that they can buy more stuff."

    In the 1950's you saw shows which depicted the family as being fully functional where the man went to work and the woman stayed home and raised and guided their children.
    Today you see shows like "Married with Children" (which was on FOX network) where the family is dysfunctional.
    You also see forms of soft pornography on Television today where as in the 1950's you did not.
    Television has gone from moral to immoral in just 50 years time.

    We are facing a crisis where young people are indifferent to almost everything except the diversion of toys and violence.
    Children are unable to concentrate on anything for very long.
    They are mistrusting of intimacy, hating solitude.
    Children also tend to be cruel, materialistic, dependent, passive, violent, timid in the face of the unexpected and addicted to distraction.
    This is to be expected, given the lessons our schools are teaching.

    "The absurdity... is clear if we ask ourselves what is gained by perceiving
    education as a way to enhance even further the runaway consumption that
    threatens the earth, air, and water of our planet. Should we continue to
    teach people that they can buy happiness in face of tidal wave of evidence
    that they cannot?"

    The truth is that schools don't really teach anything except how to obey orders.
    Children are conditioned not to think for themselves.
    They graduate from high schools as robots.

    Television rivals schools, even surpassing them in controlling our children's lives.
    In the past childhood and adolescence were filled with real work, real charity and community pursuits.
    With as much time most children spend in school and in front of the television, eleven hours a week is left for them to create a unique consciousness.

    Television is by far the most successful mind control tool there is!
    Most people go home after work and sit in front of their Televisions and watch all evening.
    If you look at the past 50 years of Television what do you think you will see?

    Freemasonry controls big government.
    Freemasonry is clearly the worship of the Devil by the elite top 5%. Luciferic layout for government center Washington D.C. and Masonic writings reflect it.
    Carl Claudy, a Masonic author sums it all up is his book, "Cut through the outer shell and find a meaning; cut through that meaning and find another; under it, if you dig deep enough, you may find a third, a fourth -- who shall say how many teachings?"

    Many peoples beliefs are based on what they were taught.
    If someone is living a lie it means their thoughts and lives are not their own.
    It also means that they are easily controlled by the ones who educated them.
    If this isn't a cause for alarm, I don't know what is!
    [b]
    Most of the really religious have been so brainwashed by the teachings of these demons (controllers) so that anything that contradicts what they have been taught is heresy and from the devil, so they will not listen.[b]
    No television preacher has ever read the Bible.
    Neither has any evangelical politician.
    Neither has the pope.
    Neither have I. And neither have you.
    At best, we’ve all read a bad translation—a translation of translations of translations of hand-copied copies of copies of copies of copies, and on and on, hundreds of times.
    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/02/t...ys-294018.html

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    +look at yourselves and look at your belief and then realise

    you have been raised up on a dish of lies and misinformation.... so long... you now believe it the truth
    plus
    will fight tooth and nail for the lie you now believe
    No television preacher has ever read the Bible.
    Neither has any evangelical politician.
    Neither has the pope.
    Neither have I. And neither have you.
    At best, we’ve all read a bad translation—a translation of translations of translations of hand-copied copies of copies of copies of copies, and on and on, hundreds of times.
    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/02/t...ys-294018.html

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    2 STORIES about YHWH - WHAT ARE WE TO BELIEVE

    THE FRUITS OF THE CHARACTER ofcourse = Yeshua said

    do you believe a lie?

    so
    did the Gnostics believe that Yahweh was a false and malevolent god?
    Unlike the medieval people who were subjected to the theocracy of the Catholic Church and were unable to read the Bible by themselves, the Gnostic intellectuals of the first centuries of the Christian Era did have access to all the biblical scriptures and were able to study them freely.

    They knew that the Hebrew Bible is chock-full of cruel acts of evil, ruthless genocides, demands of gruesome sacrifices, barbaric deeds and behaviors of tyranny attributed to Yahweh.
    In other words, the Gnostics knew that the biblical god was a real devil and his religions were brutal, bloodthirsty, misanthropic and obscurantist.

    The truth is that the Bible itself bears ample testimony that the supposed loving father of the Jews and Christians has a sadistic and evil nature and his numerous deeds documented in the so-called Sacred Scriptures are so abhorrent that most people today would believe that they were typical of a demonic entity.
    Upon reading the Bible objectively, it is evident that the Hebrew god Yahweh is a warlike, murderous and depraved character and it is clear that he has a great resentment for mankind.
    The biblical texts themselves put in doubt the morality and benevolence of the Judeo-christian deity and do nothing more than confirm that Yahweh is the true adversary of humanity.

    Today it is no longer a secret that the god of the Bible is a bloodthirsty and vengeful character.
    Since the Renaissance many enlightened thinkers have began to question the despicable immorality, depravity, cruelty, blood lust, misanthropy and xenophobia of Yahweh.
    Therefore
    In the present age of science and the Internet now it is no news that the god of the Old Testament is an abominable nightmare
    (simply very few people have a complete knowledge of the content of the Bible and very few believers are honest enough to analyze their faith and the moral standard of their god in an objective manner).

    However, the fact that the history of the divine personage of Yahweh goes back to the Sumerian epoch of the third millennium BCE is something very novel for most readers.
    We all need to delve into the history of the ancient cults and expose the true origin of that sinister god.
    we need to understand what is the true identity of that great cosmic tyrant and decode the great secret of the millennia.
    No television preacher has ever read the Bible.
    Neither has any evangelical politician.
    Neither has the pope.
    Neither have I. And neither have you.
    At best, we’ve all read a bad translation—a translation of translations of translations of hand-copied copies of copies of copies of copies, and on and on, hundreds of times.
    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/02/t...ys-294018.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    Could There Ever Be A 13th Apostle

    It is also clear from Acts that the Apostles themselves understood their number was set at twelve,
    but that this did not include Paul.

    Long before Revelation 2:2 was written, we know from Acts 1:21-26 that the twelfth apostle--Matthias--was chosen to replace Judas.
    The apostles' criteria for the replacement was that it had to be someone who was with the others from the beginning of Jesus' ministry.
    Luke reveals therefore that the eleven had a criteria that would likewise exclude adding Paul as an apostle.


    Then Jesus in the Book of Revelation reveals twelve is the number of apostles for all time.
    The verse of Revelation 21:14 follows the mention of the twelve gates of the New Jerusalem.
    Each gate has a name of the twelve tribes of Israel on it.

    Revelation 21:14 then says:
    (Rev. 21:14.)

    saul was never prt of the 12
    yes his letters are in NT bible- as he was a master builder=aka =33Deg freemason with an agenda to create chaos and disorder - a plan that was worked so well on the hypnotised pews.
    Lucy,

    Long before Revelation 2:2 was written, we know from Acts 1:21-26 that the twelfth apostle--Matthias--was chosen to replace Judas.
    The apostles' criteria for the replacement was that it had to be someone who was with the others from the beginning of Jesus' ministry.
    Luke reveals therefore that the eleven had a criteria that would likewise exclude adding Paul as an apostle.
    Where in Acts 1:21-26 did Luke write that this is a Qualification or criteria to be one of the twelve apostles in your black lying words?? He never, this is your own mind's made up lie that you foster off.

    They were only selecting another that must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his/Messiah's resurrection..

    And why do you pretend to believe Luke in Acts 1:21-26 , and then call Yeshua a fake and liar, Luke, and Ananias a liar in Acts 9:10-17 regarding Paul, and Peter and James in Acts 15??

    Or can you not see your demented double mind in this?

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    Adding in your own ideas.

    The truth is Lucy, you do Acts 1:21-22 the same as you do Yah'Shua Messiah words in Matthew 11:28.

    Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest(G373).

    Messiah never said your own mind's THINKING, that He is our weekly seventh day Sabbath as YOU THINK HE SAID.

    There is a difference between what Messiah really did say in this verse, than merely believing what you THINK HE is saying, and believing your own made up ideas are NOT believing what Messiah really is saying in this verse either.

    Here below are other verses with this same G373 word in them.

    Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest(G373): behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. Matthew 26:45.

    http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexic...ngs=G373&t=KJV

    Your asleep alright, your dead asleep.

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    Messiah's prayer in John 17.

    Messiah prayed and asked:

    Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; John 17:20.

    Neither pray I (Messiah) for these (My Apostles) alone, but for THEM (You and me believers) also which shall(future tense) believe on me (Yah'Shua Messiah) through their (the Apostles) word(spoken or written).

    Messiah NEVER said: Believe on me through our own ideas or thoughts about their the apostles words.

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    the conditons OF AN APOSTLE

    ASK
    whether Paul was one of the 12 apostle

    The 11 disciples asked the Holy Spirit to choose the 12th apostle to replace Judas who fell from his office by betrayal.
    The disciples cast a lot, and Matthias was accepted as the choice of the Holy Spirit.

    Their criteria was that the 12th apostle had to be someone with them from the beginning of Jesus' ministry and saw the resurrected Jesus and the Ascension.
    By that criteria, Paul could never qualify.
    This seals the question on whether Paul could be the 12th.
    This is why scholars agree that these conditions precludes Paul being the 12th apostle.

    man put in sauls letters in the NT.... not the holy spirit

    there as NEVER a continuation of this title
    never a 14 15 16 etc line of apostles
    and no apostle was ever given to the church after the original 12
    WHY?
    BECAUSE IT WAS A TITLE ONLYFOR AN EYE WITNESS ACCOUNT FOR DIVINE GOVERNMENT,

    ofcourse many shall argue
    why?
    because they believe all the bible is Gods word in stead of a freemasons manual of control with some truths hiding within.
    No television preacher has ever read the Bible.
    Neither has any evangelical politician.
    Neither has the pope.
    Neither have I. And neither have you.
    At best, we’ve all read a bad translation—a translation of translations of translations of hand-copied copies of copies of copies of copies, and on and on, hundreds of times.
    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/02/t...ys-294018.html

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    Smile

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    ASK
    whether Paul was one of the 12 apostle

    The 11 disciples asked the Holy Spirit to choose the 12th apostle to replace Judas who fell from his office by betrayal.
    The disciples cast a lot, and Matthias was accepted as the choice of the Holy Spirit.

    Their criteria was that the 12th apostle had to be someone with them from the beginning of Jesus' ministry and saw the resurrected Jesus and the Ascension.
    By that criteria, Paul could never qualify.
    This seals the question on whether Paul could be the 12th.
    This is why scholars agree that these conditions precludes Paul being the 12th apostle.

    man put in sauls letters in the NT.... not the holy spirit

    there as NEVER a continuation of this title
    never a 14 15 16 etc line of apostles
    and no apostle was ever given to the church after the original 12
    WHY?
    BECAUSE IT WAS A TITLE ONLYFOR AN EYE WITNESS ACCOUNT FOR DIVINE GOVERNMENT,
    Lucy,

    Where did Paul write or even say, that he was the 12th apostle??

    I can't help but laugh at your own made up words and thoughts that Paul never said or wrote.

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    Smile Make believer Lucy.

    Lucy, you wrote:

    By that criteria, Paul could never qualify.
    This seals the question on whether Paul could be the 12th.
    Where did Paul write or even say, that he was the 12th apostle??

    I can't help but laugh at your own made up words and thoughts that Paul never said or wrote.

    Please answer this make up believer Lucy.

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    Make believer Lucy.

    Make believer Lucy. It's the truth of her, and if it fits, it sticks.

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    the false apostle #13 had no authority and only wrote letters

    never thinking the freemason on the 325ad would re invent them and bring them to life.
    here is some great info few know of
    Emperor Constantine, who was Roman Emperor from 306 CE until his death in 337 CE, used what motivates many to action - MONEY!
    He offered the various Church leaders money to agree upon a single canon that would be used by all Christians as the word of God.

    when Constantine died he was give an full pagan burial as his 'Christian belief'' was only for propaganda purposes.



    Paul is Under Intense Psychological Pressure, Rails against the "Super-Apostles"

    2. Philippi - Paul Raves against "Dogs" and "Evil-Workers" (Philippians 3:1-21)

    3. Rome - Paul Expresses his Desire to Evangelize the West (Romans 15:25-33)

    After traveling first to Jerusalem to Deliver the Money he had Collected

    Has Paul Lost?
    Has he given up on the East?
    What happened to the Money?

    4. Jerusalem - The Grand Finale: Arrest, Trial, eventual Execution Acts 21

    Even after the deaths of Paul and the Apostles
    - The Struggle continues
    true or false.

    lets look at what history reveals.,
    [FROM christian church history]

    the history of our 'genuine' Bibles is a convoluted one. Firstly we cannot be sure that we have the full version as it was originally intended. In 1415 the Church of Rome took an extraordinary step to destroy all knowledge of two second century Jewish books that it said contained the true name of Jesus Christ. The Antipope Benedict XIII firstly singled out for condemnation a secret Latin treatise called "Mar Yesu" and then issued instructions to destroy all copies of the book of Elxai.
    The Rabbinic fraternity once held the destroyed manuscripts with great reverence for they were comprehensive original records reporting the life of Rabbi Jesus.

    Later, Pope Alexander VI ordered all copies of the Talmud destroyed, with the Spanish Grand Inquisitor Tomas de Torquemada (1420-98) responsible for the elimination of 6,000 volumes at Salamanca alone.

    Solomon Romano (1554) also burnt many thousands of Hebrew scrolls and, in 1559, every Hebrew book in the city of Prague was confiscated. The mass destruction of Jewish books included hundreds of copies of the Old Testament and caused the irretrievable loss of many original handwritten documents.

    The oldest text of the Old Testament that survived, before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls" was said to be the Bodleian Codex (Oxford), which was dated to circa 1100 AD. In an attempt by the church to remove damaging Rabbinic information about Jesus Christ from the face of the earth, the Inquisition burnt 12,000 volumes of the Talmud.

    In 1607, forty-seven men (some records say fifty four) took two years and nine months to re-write the Bible and make it ready for press. It was, by the order of King James, issued with a set of personal 'rules' the translators were to follow. Upon its completion in 1609, it was handed over to the King James for his final approval. However, "It was self evident that James was not competent to check their work and edit it, so he passed the manuscripts onto the greatest genius of all time... Sir Francis Bacon"

    The first English language manuscripts of the Bible remained in Bacon's possession for nearly a year. During that time ... "he hammered the various styles of the translators into the unity, rhythm, and music of Shakespearean prose, wrote the prefaces and created the whole scheme of the Authorized Version. At the completion of the editing, King James ordered a 'dedication to the King' to be drawn up and included in the opening pages. He also wanted the phrase 'Appointed to be read in the churches' to appear on the title page.

    The King James Bible is considered by many today to be the 'original' Bible and therefore 'genuine' and all later revisions simply counterfeits forged by 'higher critics'. Others think the King James Bible is 'authentic' and 'authorized' and presents the original words of the authors as translated into English from the 'original' Greek texts.
    However, as many bible students now point out, the 'original' Greek text was not written until around the mid fourth century and was a revised edition of writings compiled decades earlier in Aramaic and Hebrew.
    Those earlier documents no longer exist and the Bibles we have today are five linguistic removes from the first bibles written.


    What was written in the 'original originals' is quite unknown.

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    only YESHUA CAN TEACH HIS WORD TO HIS PEOPLE.
    No television preacher has ever read the Bible.
    Neither has any evangelical politician.
    Neither has the pope.
    Neither have I. And neither have you.
    At best, we’ve all read a bad translation—a translation of translations of translations of hand-copied copies of copies of copies of copies, and on and on, hundreds of times.
    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/02/t...ys-294018.html

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