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    Thumbs up Messiah Yahushua Was Definitely A Pharisee!

    Hi Everyone,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    When my wife and I and my middle Brother and his wife were disfellowshipped from the Worldwide Church of God, we along with Hyssop and his wife and my youngest Brother, ImAHebrew, decided to establish an in-home fellowship. We named ourselves, "A Church of God", and we assembled each Sabbath Day, the 7th Day of the Week, that is, Saturday. We also assembled on the annual Sabbath Days. At our assemblies, we would offer prayers and sing hymns to the accompaniment of the piano playing of my wife. We did rotate amongst the baptized men the speaking duties at our assemblies. There was often much discussion between the speaker and those listening. All were allowed to ask questions or make comments should they be so moved to do so. This is something that we felt very strongly about. Never again would we agree to place ourselves in a position where we would not be allowed to ask a question of the speaker or preacher during his sermon.

    After the morning service, we would eat a common meal together with each family bringing something prepared beforehand. Our children loved this aspect of the Sabbath Assembly.

    Thus, by necessity, the Tzaddikim became Separatists, that is, Pharisees. The Tzaddikim were not literalists like the Sadducees in our approach to the written scriptures. I will explain more about our approach to the scriptures as this thread develops.

    Thanking anyone in advance that should be moved to reply, I am,

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    Thumbs up The Death, Burial, And Third Day Resurrection Of Messiah Yahuahua!

    Hi Everyone,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    Being separated from the Worldwide Church of God by OUR Messiah Yahushua, we had no choice but to remain separate from any other church group. I know, this sounds crazy, but there is no other assembly in the world that we were aware of which could teach or preach the Gospel according to the Scriptures. We firmly believed the Apostle Paul concerning the Gospel which he taught indicated right here:

    1 Corinthians 15:1-4
    1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
    2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Messiah died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

    Messiah Yahushua did open to us just like HE did to HIS Disciples and Apostles and also the Apostle Paul the scriptural proof of HIS Resurrection and Messiahship. We understood what had not been declared to us by any man, and we believed. No man taught us the Gospel according to the Scriptures. However small, we stand alone. Therefore, we by necessity are Pharisees.

    Are there any who can claim to teach the Gospel according to the Scriptures? Please present to us how Yahushua knew this about HIMSELF:

    Luke 18:31-34
    31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
    32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
    33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
    34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

    Please understand that you will be given every apportunity, but please present on this thread the scriptures which demand the resurrection of Our Messiah Yahushua on the third Day!

    Thanking any in advance that should be moved to reply, I am,
    Sincerely, Latuwr
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    Thumbs up The Jewish Synagogues!

    Hi Everyone,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    This scripture is very instructive:

    Luke 18:34
    34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

    The Disciples of Messiah Yahushua were not scholars. They were not trained in Jewish Law like the Apostle Paul, but, you know what, they accompanied Messiah Yahushua each Sabbath Day in HIS habit of assembling with and teaching in the Jewish Synagogues. This is the record of the Gospels, Brethren. Messiah Yahushua was accepted into the fellowship of the Jewish Synagogues in which HE entered and taught. These Synagogues were established and ruled by Pharisees, and each Sabbath Day both the Law and the Prophets were read.

    So, let's try to draw a conclusion right here. Did the Pharisees believe in open debate and discussion within their assemblies. Absolutely! Would they listen or give ear to any Jew? No, they would not!

    What does this tell us about the status of Messiah Yahushua in the eyes of Pharisees, the rulers of the Synagogues?

    Thanking anyone in advance that should be moved to reply, I am,

    Sincerely, Latuwr
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    Thumbs up The Practice Of Oral Tradition!

    Hi Everyone,
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    If Yahushua regularly taught in the Synagogues, why is it that HIS Disciples were clueless concerning the perception of Messiah Yahushua concerning HIMSELF in the Scriptures? You see, Messiah Yahushua was not a literalist in HIS approach to the Scriptures. Messiah knew that behind the obvious there existed a hidden meaning which HE HIMSELF could see, but others could not. Consider the issue of the resurrection. Being literalists, the Sadducees denied the existence of the resurrection. The Pharisees on the other hand believed in the resurrection. We are made aware through the Gospel of John that Yahushua loved the family of Lazarus (see John 11:5). If Messiah Yahushua was indeed the Word made flesh, then we know through the Word exactly why Messiah loved Lazarus, Martha, and Mary. Here is what the Word indicates the very thing that YAHWEH loves:

    Psalms 11:7
    7 For the righteous YAHWEH loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.

    And here:

    Psalms 146:8
    8 The YAHWEH openeth the eyes of the blind: the YAHWEH raiseth them that are bowed down: the YAHWEH loveth the righteous:

    So, it is very clear from the above verses that Yahushua considered Lazarus and Family to be righteous folks who practiced righteousness. This also indicates why Yahushua loved the Apostle John. John was a priest who practiced righteousness.

    To which sect of Judaism do you think that Lazarus, Martha, Mary, and John belonged? Well, it is for certain that Martha was not a Sadducee because she did believe in the resurrection, and while this does not absolutely prove that Martha and Family were Pharisees, her belief in the resurrection strongly suggests that she herself was a Pharisee.

    Let's take into consideration James of Acts 15 fame. It is very telling concerning James that James in Acts 21 instructs the Apostle Paul to go through the process of purification from contact with the dead (Numbers 19) in order to prove to the believing Jews in Jerusalem that Paul in his life followed the Oral Tradition of the Jews. Few are aware of the significance of what James did require of Paul right here. The Elders of Israel had ordained around 50 years before the birth of Messiah Yahushua that any Jew who traveled outside the borders of Israel must upon his or her return must purify themselves because of contact with the dead. The Elders knew that the Gentiles did not take great pains to adequately mark graves so it was assumed that travelers like Paul would have inadvertently come into contact with a grave and thereby been rendered unclean. James therefore knew that Paul could prove to all the Believing Jews that he himself followed Oral Tradition by submitting to the process of purification which very thing Paul did do. James followed Oral Tradition and so did the Apostle Paul. They were both Pharisees.

    Now, please examine this instruction from Messiah Yahushua to HIS Disciples:

    Matthew 10:5
    5 These twelve Yahushua sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

    Can we wonder why? This command from Messiah Yahushua indicates that Messiah is also a Pharisee, that is, a Separatist, who also followed Oral Tradition.

    Thanking anyone in advance that should be moved to reply, I am,

    Sincerely, Latuwr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spying View Post
    Hi Everyone,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    If Yahushua regularly taught in the Synagogues, why is it that HIS Disciples were clueless concerning the perception of Messiah Yahushua concerning HIMSELF in the Scriptures? You see, Messiah Yahushua was not a literalist in HIS approach to the Scriptures. Messiah knew that behind the obvious there existed a hidden meaning which HE HIMSELF could see, but others could not. Consider the issue of the resurrection. Being literalists, the Sadducees denied the existence of the resurrection. The Pharisees on the other hand believed in the resurrection. We are made aware through the Gospel of John that Yahushua loved the family of Lazarus (see John 11:5). If Messiah Yahushua was indeed the Word made flesh, then we know through the Word exactly why Messiah loved Lazarus, Martha, and Mary. Here is what the Word indicates the very thing that YAHWEH loves:

    Psalms 11:7
    7 For the righteous YAHWEH loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.

    And here:

    Psalms 146:8
    8 The YAHWEH openeth the eyes of the blind: the YAHWEH raiseth them that are bowed down: the YAHWEH loveth the righteous:

    So, it is very clear from the above verses that Yahushua considered Lazarus and Family to be righteous folks who practiced righteousness. This also indicates why Yahushua loved the Apostle John. John was a priest who practiced righteousness.

    To which sect of Judaism do you think that Lazarus, Martha, Mary, and John belonged? Well, it is for certain that Martha was not a Sadducee because she did believe in the resurrection, and while this does not absolutely prove that Martha and Family were Pharisees, her belief in the resurrection strongly suggests that she herself was a Pharisee.

    Let's take into consideration James of Acts 15 fame. It is very telling concerning James that James in Acts 21 instructs the Apostle Paul to go through the process of purification from contact with the dead (Numbers 19) in order to prove to the believing Jews in Jerusalem that Paul in his life followed the Oral Tradition of the Jews. Few are aware of the significance of what James did require of Paul right here. The Elders of Israel had ordained around 50 years before the birth of Messiah Yahushua that any Jew who traveled outside the borders of Israel must upon his or her return must purify themselves because of contact with the dead. The Elders knew that the Gentiles did not take great pains to adequately mark graves so it was assumed that travelers like Paul would have inadvertently come into contact with a grave and thereby been rendered unclean. James therefore knew that Paul could prove to all the Believing Jews that he himself followed Oral Tradition by submitting to the process of purification which very thing Paul did do. James followed Oral Tradition and so did the Apostle Paul. They were both Pharisees.

    Now, please examine this instruction from Messiah Yahushua to HIS Disciples:

    Matthew 10:5
    5 These twelve Yahushua sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

    Can we wonder why? This command from Messiah Yahushua indicates that Messiah is also a Pharisee, that is, a Separatist, who also followed Oral Tradition.

    Thanking anyone in advance that should be moved to reply, I am,

    Sincerely, Latuwr
    Really Spying? Then go read John chapter 4 speaking of the Samaritans, and tell us why Messiah and His Disciples did not follow the oral tradition of the Elders in being cleansed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spying View Post
    Hi Everyone,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    Being separated from the Worldwide Church of God by OUR Messiah Yahushua, we had no choice but to remain separate from any other church group. I know, this sounds crazy, but there is no other assembly in the world that we were aware of which could teach or preach the Gospel according to the Scriptures. We firmly believed the Apostle Paul concerning the Gospel which he taught indicated right here:

    1 Corinthians 15:1-4
    1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
    2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Messiah died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

    Messiah Yahushua did open to us just like HE did to HIS Disciples and Apostles and also the Apostle Paul the scriptural proof of HIS Resurrection and Messiahship. We understood what had not been declared to us by any man, and we believed. No man taught us the Gospel according to the Scriptures. However small, we stand alone. Therefore, we by necessity are Pharisees.

    Are there any who can claim to teach the Gospel according to the Scriptures? Please present to us how Yahushua knew this about HIMSELF:

    Luke 18:31-34
    31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
    32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
    33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
    34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

    Please understand that you will be given every apportunity, but please present on this thread the scriptures which demand the resurrection of Our Messiah Yahushua on the third Day!

    Thanking any in advance that should be moved to reply, I am,
    Sincerely, Latuwr
    Spying, suppose you tell us, how that Messiah died for our sins according to the scriptures??

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    Red face Oops, My Mistake In Issuing A General Invitation!

    Hi EliYah,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    Shabbat Shalom to the Sabbath Breaker! (Yes, I know that I am taking a chance right here. Someone may very well request that I should delete my own post because of my name calling!)

    I suppose that I must include you in the term "anyone" so I really can't complain that you have entered my table even though I absolutely made no mention of your name!

    Why therefore have you entered to sit at my table with someone who according to you is a person who breaks his word and someone who is a "gutless, spineless, no backbone wonder" and someone who is incapable of engaging in a "con-versation" without conning others. Can you tell me why am I so blessed to have you sit again at my table? What would be your motive in desiring to engage me in a "con-versation"?

    Thanking you in advance should you be willing to reply, I am,

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    Thumbs up Taking The Law Seriously!

    Hi EliYah,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    Shabbat Shalom to the Sabbath Breaker! (Yes, I know that I am taking a chance right here. Someone may very well request that I should delete my own post because of my name calling!)

    In seeking a "con-versation" with me, you stated this:

    "Spying, suppose you tell us, how that Messiah died for our sins according to the scriptures??"

    In my humble opinion, EliYah, both ImAHebrew and I have explained to you our understanding of the Apostle Paul's concept of the Gospel according to the Scriptures on a number of occasions, and our words have found no place in you. Why? In order to understand our Gospel, YAHWEH Yahushua Messiah must first open your ears to hear the message about HIMSELF that exists behind the literal scriptures. You yourself are familiar with the Scriptures in the same manner that the Disciples of Yahushua were acquainted with them in that the whole Law was read throughout the year in the Synagogues by portions on the Sabbath Days. You are aware of what happened to them after the resurrection of YAHWEH Yahushua Messiah. Luke in chapter 24 of his Gospel informs us about two momentous bible studies conducted by Messiah in which Yahushua opened the Scriptures to HIS Disciples. After this opening, the Disciples now understood how Yahushua could make predictions to them about HIS suffering and death and resurrection on the 3rd day. Prior to this opening, the Disciples, having the literal Scriptures, were completely in the dark. Through the teaching of Yahushua after HIS resurrection, they suddenly were in the light.

    You actually will not believe this, but both you and Lucy are in the same sad place. You both are transgressors of the Law. Consider this Scripture which ImAHebrew has brought to your attention:

    Numbers 9:7
    7 And those men said unto him, We are defiled by the dead body of a man: wherefore are we kept back, that we may not offer (H7126) an offering of YAHWEH in his appointed season among the children of Israel?

    The Passover Offering is most definitely YAHWEH'S Offering, but this Offering is commanded in the Law to be sacrificed by the Children of Israel at its appointed time (Moed). The refusal to fulfill this commandment is a cutting off offense. Both you and Lucy will not confess that you have fulfilled this commandment by admitting that Messiah Yahushua is your sacrifice; therefore, at some point through your refusal, you will be kareemed through your failure to offer YAHWEH'S Offering at its appointed time.

    Please take the time to use your knowledge of the Blue Letter Bible to explore the use of Strong's Hebrew #7126 as this verb is especially used in Leviticus, and then, if it be your will, come back and have a "con-versation" with me.

    Thanking you in advance should you be moved on this Sabbath Day to take the Law seriously, I am,

    Sincerely, Latuwr
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    Hi EliYah,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    Shabbat Shalom to the Sabbath Breaker! (Yes, I know that I am taking a chance right here. Someone may very well request that I should delete my own post because of my name calling!)

    In seeking a "con-versation" with me, you questioned this:

    "Really Spying? Then go read John chapter 4 speaking of the Samaritans, and tell us why Messiah and His Disciples did not follow the oral tradition of the Elders in being cleansed?"

    This is actually a rather good response concerning any defilement which might arise through contact with the dead. Please notice that Yahushua HIMSELF did not venture into the city. Why? Yahushua always was aware that eyes were upon HIM, and Messiah protected HIMSELF from any accusation that HE HIMSELF had been defiled through contact with the dead.

    The whole issue of being defiled from contact with the dead (please read Numbers 19) arose primarily because of the commandment that the Children of Israel should assemble three times a year at Jerusalem to offer the various commanded sacrifices. No person defiled by contact with the dead would be allowed to enter the Temple and participate in the worship commanded of those who are clean from any such defilement.

    It was a common practice among the Children of Israel to go up early to cleanse themselves of any defilement with the dead that would interfere with their Temple worship and obligations under the Law. If you should have the eyes to see, this is the real issue that arose between the Brothers of Yahushua and HIMSELF in John chapter 7. The Brothers of Yahushua were always in need of purification, and Messiah knew that HIS purification from the defilement of death had not yet come. Of course, the real purification from the defilement of death is the resurrection.

    This in itself is a very interesting study should we be tempted to engage in a "con-versation" concerning the raising of the dead accomplished by Messiah Yahushua during HIS ministry. These incidents are real eye openers.

    Anyways, the land of Samaria is considered to be part of the Israel itself while according to the words of Messiah, the cities of Samaria are not according to HIM given that status.

    Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
    Sincerely, Latuwr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spying View Post
    Hi EliYah,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    Shabbat Shalom to the Sabbath Breaker! (Yes, I know that I am taking a chance right here. Someone may very well request that I should delete my own post because of my name calling!)

    In seeking a "con-versation" with me, you stated this:

    "Spying, suppose you tell us, how that Messiah died for our sins according to the scriptures??"

    In my humble opinion, EliYah, both ImAHebrew and I have explained to you our understanding of the Apostle Paul's concept of the Gospel according to the Scriptures on a number of occasions, and our words have found no place in you. Why? In order to understand our Gospel, YAHWEH Yahushua Messiah must first open your ears to hear the message about HIMSELF that exists behind the literal scriptures. You yourself are familiar with the Scriptures in the same manner that the Disciples of Yahushua were acquainted with them in that the whole Law was read throughout the year in the Synagogues by portions on the Sabbath Days. You are aware of what happened to them after the resurrection of YAHWEH Yahushua Messiah. Luke in chapter 24 of his Gospel informs us about two momentous bible studies conducted by Messiah in which Yahushua opened the Scriptures to HIS Disciples. After this opening, the Disciples now understood how Yahushua could make predictions to them about HIS suffering and death and resurrection on the 3rd day. Prior to this opening, the Disciples, having the literal Scriptures, were completely in the dark. Through the teaching of Yahushua after HIS resurrection, they suddenly were in the light.

    You actually will not believe this, but both you and Lucy are in the same sad place. You both are transgressors of the Law. Consider this Scripture which ImAHebrew has brought to your attention:

    Numbers 9:7
    7 And those men said unto him, We are defiled by the dead body of a man: wherefore are we kept back, that we may not offer (H7126) an offering of YAHWEH in his appointed season among the children of Israel?

    The Passover Offering is most definitely YAHWEH'S Offering, but this Offering is commanded in the Law to be sacrificed by the Children of Israel at its appointed time (Moed). The refusal to fulfill this commandment is a cutting off offense. Both you and Lucy will not confess that you have fulfilled this commandment by admitting that Messiah Yahushua is your sacrifice; therefore, at some point through your refusal, you will be kareemed through your failure to offer YAHWEH'S Offering at its appointed time.

    Please take the time to use your knowledge of the Blue Letter Bible to explore the use of Strong's Hebrew #7126 as this verb is especially used in Leviticus, and then, if it be your will, come back and have a "con-versation" with me.

    Thanking you in advance should you be moved on this Sabbath Day to take the Law seriously, I am,

    Sincerely, Latuwr
    Spying, why do you lie?

    I have indeed said, that Messiah is my Passover sacrificed for me, but I do NOT put myself in the SUBSTITUTE PLACE of Messiah the High Priest as YOU DO, which is blasphemy, and it's teaching THE MAN OF THE SIN doctrines.

    Now you talk about SUBSTITUTIONALISM, you do indeed practice it, and promote it.

    Lets see: You said I Am Messiah. Really? Remember Messiah warning?

    You say in your tagline: Your in A Holy Place. Really, I did not know MO had a holy place?

    Ken says, sin is the origin of righteousness.

    You say, sin is the source of grace.

    Shabbat Shalom to the Sabbath Breaker!
    Mr. self admitted Pharisee, your Saturday Sabbath is no different than traditional Christianity's Sunday Sabbath, because they are both a part of Rome's made up week, and only to be found on the Roman calendar, and they are no where to be found in the scriptures either, and if they were, at least one Saturday observer would have proven it was, and Troy Miller's Hall Of Shame would not be there with a list nay sayers that cannot prove their Saturday as the Sabbath.

    I observe Yah's calendar only, I do not observe 2 calendars, pagan Rome's, which is unclean, and mix it with Yah's calendar which is clean as you do.

    Now let's see where else this Greek word (G2257=ἡμῶν) is used too, but first I will quote this verse in the B.L.B Strong's so everyone else can see it too.

    And G2532 walk G4043 in G1722 love, G26 as G2531 Christ G5547 also G2532 hath loved G25 us, G2248 and G2532 hath given G3860 himself G1438 for G5228 us G2257 an offering G4376 and G2532 a sacrifice G2378 to God G2316 for G1519 a sweetsmelling G2175 savour. G3744

    Now let me quote this verse of Paul's with this Greek word (G2257=ἡμῶν) properly translated in the verse.

    And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for OUR(G2257=ἡμῶν) offering, and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. Ephesians 5:2.

    and hath given himself for OUR(G2257=ἡμῶν) offering, and a sacrifice to God

    That verse says it directly plain and simply.

    How could Messiah offer Himself as a sacrifice for sins Hebrews 7:27; Hebrews 10:12 if we slayed, killed, or sacrificed Him?

    Who needs not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he (Messiah) did once, when he offered up himself. Hebrews 7:27.

    for this he (Messiah) did once, when he offered up himself.

    By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest stands daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

    (Why I thought according to you and Spying, sin is turned into grace and righteousness, if it is, why are sins taken away?)

    But this man(Messiah), after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Hebrews 10:10-12.

    Now why will you not believe these scriptures?

    And suppose you tell us, how you offered up your own sins to YAHWEH the Father without the Son of Yahweh the High Priest doing it, and why do you PUT YOURSELF IN HIS PLACE OF AUTHORITY??

    Then you say to yourself:
    Oh I have to avoid and side step these scriptures and questions, because they disprove my man of the sin SUBSTITUTE.

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    Spying,

    Now let's see where else this Greek word (G2257=ἡμῶν) is used too, but first I will quote this verse in the B.L.B Strong's so everyone else can see it too.

    And G2532 walk G4043 in G1722 love, G26 as G2531 Christ G5547 also G2532 hath loved G25 us, G2248 and G2532 hath given G3860 himself G1438 for G5228 us G2257 an offering G4376 and G2532 a sacrifice G2378 to God G2316 for G1519 a sweetsmelling G2175 savour. G3744

    Now let me quote this verse of Paul's with this Greek word (G2257=ἡμῶν) properly translated in the verse.

    And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for OUR(G2257=ἡμῶν) offering, and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. Ephesians 5:2.

    and hath given himself for OUR(G2257=ἡμῶν) offering, and a sacrifice to God

    That verse says it directly plain and simply.

    Who needs not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he (Messiah) did once, when he offered up himself. Hebrews 7:27.

    for this he (Messiah) did once, when he offered up himself.

    By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest stands daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

    But this man(Messiah), after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Hebrews 10:10-12.

    Now why will you not believe these scriptures?

    And suppose you tell us, how you offered up your own sins to YAHWEH the Father without the Son of Yahweh the High Priest doing it, and why do you PUT YOURSELF IN HIS PLACE OF AUTHORITY??

    Mr, Pharisee, it is YOU who are transgressing the law of YAHWEH, and you refuse to accept Messiah's own sacrifice offering for you as the High Priest.

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    Who does the killing here?

    Spying,

    Then Hezekiah the king rose early, and gathered the rulers of the city, and went up to the house of YAHWEH.

    And they brought seven bullocks, and seven rams, and seven lambs, and seven he goats, for a sin offering for the kingdom, and for the sanctuary, and for Judah. And he commanded the priests the sons of Aaron to offer them on the altar of YAHWEH.

    So they killed the bullocks, and the priests received the blood, and sprinkled it on the altar: likewise, when they had killed the rams, they sprinkled the blood upon the altar: they killed also the lambs, and they sprinkled the blood upon the altar.

    And they brought forth the he goats for the sin offering before the king and the congregation; and they laid their hands upon them:

    And the priests killed them, and they made reconciliation with their blood upon the altar, to make an atonement for all Israel: for the king commanded that the burnt offering and the sin offering should be made for all Israel. 2 Chronicles 29:20-24.

    And the priests killed them, and they made reconciliation with their blood upon the altar, to make an atonement for all Israel:

    What was that Hebrews 7:27 said?

    Who needs not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he (Messiah) did once, when he offered up himself. Hebrews 7:27.

    for this he (Messiah) did once, when he offered up himself.

    And speaking of the Passover:

    And Hezekiah sent to all Israel and Judah, and wrote letters also to Ephraim and Manasseh, that they should come to the house of YAHWEH at Jerusalem, to keep the Passover unto YAHWEH Elohim of Israel.

    For the king had taken counsel, and his princes, and all the congregation in Jerusalem, to keep the Passover in the second month. For they could not keep it at that time, because the priests had not sanctified themselves sufficiently, neither had the people gathered themselves together to Jerusalem. 2 Chronicles 30:1-3

    For they could not keep it at that time, because the priests had not sanctified themselves sufficiently

    And they set the priests in their divisions, and the Levites in their courses, for the service of God, which is at Jerusalem; as it is written in the book of Moses.

    And the children of the captivity kept the Passover upon the fourteenth day of the first month. For the priests and the Levites were purified together, all of them were pure, and killed the Passover for all the children of the captivity, and for their brethren the priests, and for themselves. Ezra 6:18-20.

    As I said old buddy, it is you who are transgressing the law of YAHWEH, by you putting yourself and the people in the place of the True Priest which is Messiah.

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    One Of Jeroboam's sins.

    Spying, you must have the spirit of Jeroboam.

    And he made an house of high places, and made priests of the lowest of the people, which were not of the sons of Levi. 1 Kings 12:31.

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    Spying,

    This is mentioned 3 times in the book of Hebrews:

    Who needs not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he(Messiah) did once, when he offered up himself. Hebrews 7:27

    for this he(Messiah) did once, when he offered up himself.

    But this man(Messiah), after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Hebrews 10:12.

    But this man(Messiah), after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever

    How much more shall the blood of Christ/Messiah, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Hebrews 9:14.

    who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God

    Once in Ephesians.

    And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for OUR(G2257=ἡμῶν) offering, and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savour. Ephesians 5:2.

    and hath given himself for OUR(G2257=ἡμῶν) offering, and a sacrifice to God

    This is very plainly written.

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    Spying,

    I've got nothing against oral inspiration of Yah's Holy Spirit, however, when it contradicts the law or written inspiration of Yah's instructions, then, that is a different matter, because I'm sure you are aware of the scripture in IsaYAH the prophet, that says, if they speak not according to the law and the testimony, it is because there is no light or truth in them.

    My old friend, I try my best to fight for you and Ken, not against you, and you know if you speak or write according to the scriptures, that I will indeed agree with you, I love people, if I did not, I would not even bother to tell them the truth of the scriptures.

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