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    why? Did Yeshua talk about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70ad

    the warnings went out, because such a great tribulation would occur in a few years, that this world had never seen before.
    what?
    total slaughter of its people and total destruction upon its System of beliefs.
    Has there ever been such a destruction of a religious system before or again???
    An entire system with rituals and laws wiped out and totally demolished within a few short years of The cross.
    Mark 13
    Math 24 and
    Luke bear witness to this prophecy of this destruction.
    THE GREAT TRIBULATION — FUTURE OR FULFILLED?

    Matthew: “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened” (24:21, 22).

    Mark: “For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days” (13:19, 20).

    Luke: “For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled . . . for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles” (21:22-24).
    The Romans tore the building apart stone by stone because in the cement was hidden gold.

    consider
    UNLESS some people escaped out from Jerusalem the Goodnews of His Kingdom would have been lost.

    the question to ask is
    when was this to happen....'' this tribulation'' and the escape plan to get out.
    next question is?
    are you a believer in a Jesuit doctrine?
    yes or no?

    The story line goes Jesus said ''DONT LET ANYONE DECEIVE YOU, for many shall come in ''my name'' [ from the religious world] saying that I am Christ and shall deceive many''
    About what?
    The terrible events of 70ad
    Jesus said ''when you see the abomination of desolation''
    = what was this? spoken in Daniel standing where it shouldnt.

    Find out do some homework
    this all happened in the lifetime of these people he was talking too
    What is going to stand soon in the Holy Place of the temple in Jerusalem in 70ad...what? its desecration by a roman army~~~

    How do we know ''its not in our future''????
    Go and find out all about the Jesuit agendas and how RC priests named Rivera and Loyola promoted a ''future one man antichrist and a rebuilding of the 3rd temple''


    No one even ''knew'' of a ''future tribulation'' till Francisco Rivera a Jesuit priest in the 1500s told everyone a DIFFERENT story about a FUTURE tribulation...
    go read church history.
    find out for yourself.
    because it is very hard to fix a mindset called ''stupid'' because ''stupid sells''

    Josephus, the Jewish historian who was an eye-witness to these events, wrote a full and detailed account of the tribulation that fell upon that land and people in and prior to 70 A.D. His account, Wars of the Jews, was published about 75A.D., at a time when the events of which he wrote were still fresh in the memory of thousands.
    Since he was not a Christian, no one can accuse him of slanting his material so as to match the prophecy Christ had given.
    Nevertheless, the history he recorded fully confirms the fulfillment of the prophecy Jesus gave about the “great tribulation” which came upon that land and people.
    Mahatma Gandhi — 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
    Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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    the tribulation of 70ad as recorded by Josephus

    As Jerusalem became surrounded by the Romans, food became scarce within the walls of the city.
    Many of the Jews went by night into the valleys in search of food.
    These were caught, “tormented with all sorts of torture” and then crucified in the sight of those on the walls.
    About 500 every day were thus killed until the number finally became so great that there was not room enough for the crosses, nor enough crosses for the victims.
    Often several were nailed to the same torture stake.
    Imagine the torment of those who would see or hear of their loved ones being thus tortured a short distance from the walls.
    Many had their hands cut off. (V, 11:1, 2).

    “Then did the famine widen its progress, and devoured the people by whole houses and families; the upper rooms were full of women and children dying by famine; and the lanes of the city were full of the dead bodies of the aged; a kind of deadly night, had seized upon the city.” (V, 12:3).

    “Thus did the miseries of Jerusalem grow worse and worse every day . . . the multitude of carcasses that lay in heaps one upon another was a horrible sight, and produced a pestilential stench.” (VI, 1:1).

    “The number of those that perished by famine in the city was prodigious, and their miseries were unspeakable.
    For if so much as the shadow of any kind of food did anywhere appear, a war was commenced presently, and the dearest friends fell fighting one another about it . . .
    Children pulled the very morsel that their fathers were eating, out of their very mouths, and what was still more to be pitied, so did the mothers do to their infants: and when those that were almost dead were perishing under their hands, they were not ashamed to take from them the very last drops that might preserve their lives . . .
    The seditious . . . also invented terrible methods of torment to discover where any food was, and they were these: to stop up the passages of the privy parts of the miserable wretches, and to drive sharp stakes up their fundaments! and a man was forced to bear what it is terrible even to hear.” (V, 10:3).

    One woman of prominence killed her infant son and roasted him.
    After eating half of the body, the other half was hid.
    Shortly after this, certain seditious Jews came to search her house.
    When they smelled the scent of roasted flesh, they threatened to cut her throat immediately if she did not show them what food she had prepared.
    She then uncovered the remaining half of the little body, saying: “Come, eat of this food; for I have eaten of it myself!
    Do not you pretend to be either more tender than a woman, or more compassionate than a mother.”
    But even those hardened men were horrified at the sight and left the house trembling. (VI, 3:4).

    Surely these things were a fulfillment of the warning that had been given centuries before.
    “The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far.., a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand; a nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young . . . And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down . . . And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters . . . The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward . . . her young one that cometh from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.” (Deut. 28:49-57).
    Some who tried to escape from the city after it had been surrounded by the Roman armies, swallowed pieces of gold in order to take them unnoticed.
    Word got out that such was being done and many of those who tried to escape were cut open by the enemy to see if they had swallowed any gold.
    “Nor does it seem to me that any misery befell the Jews that was more terrible than this, since in one night about 2,000 of these deserters were thus dissected.” (V, 13:4).

    Finally the Roman armies broke through the wall and an enraged soldier caught the temple afire.
    “While the holy house was on fire, everything was plundered that came to hand, and ten thousand of those that were caught were slain; nor was there a commiseration of any age, or any reverence of gravity; but children, and old men, and profane persons, and priests, were all slain in the same manner . . .
    The flame was also carried a long way, and made an echo, together with the groans of those that were slain . . . nor can one imagine anything either greater or more terrible than this noise . . .
    Moreover, many, when they saw the fire, exerted their utmost strength, and did break out into groans and outcries . . . Yet was the misery itself more terrible than this disorder; for one would have thought that the hill itself, on which the temple stood, was seething-hot, as full of fire on every part of it, that the blood was larger in quantity than the fire, and those that were slain more in number than those that slew them; for the ground did nowhere appear visible, for the dead bodies that lay on it.” (VI, 5:1).

    The burning of the temple is especially significant in that the very date on which it was burned by the armies of Titus, was the same date that Nebuchadnezzar had burned it centuries before!
    This seems like more than a mere accident.
    “But, as for that house, God had for certain long ago doomed it to the fire, and now that fatal day was come, according to the revolution of the ages: it was the tenth day of the month Ab, upon which it was formerly burnt by the king, of Babylon”! (VI, 4:5).

    As the temple burned, the Jews knew all hope for deliverance was gone.
    The aqueducts and the city sewers were crowded as the last place of refuge for the hopeless.
    When these were searched, two thousand people were found dead there, and those that yet remained alive were dragged from thence and slain.

    There were 97, 000 that were sold as slaves and 1,100,000 people that perished during the fierce tribulation of those days. “Now the number of those that were carried captive during the whole war was collected to be ninety-seven thousand; as was the number of those that perished in the whole siege, eleven hundred thousand, the greater part of whom were indeed of the same nation, but not belonging to the city itself; for they were come up from all the country to the feast of unleavened bread, and were on a sudden shut up by an army . . . the multitude of those that therein perished exceeded all the destruction that either men or God ever brought upon the world.” (VI, 9:3, 4).

    Josephus summed it up in these words: “I shall therefore speak my mind here at once briefly: — that neither did any other city suffer such miseries, nor did any age ever breed a generation more fruitful in wickedness than this was, from the beginning of the world.” (V, 10:5).

    Josephus says the calamities which befell the Jews were “the greatest of all those, not only that have been in our times, but, in a manner, of those that ever were heard of; both of those wherein cities have fought against cities, or nations against nations . . . it appears to me that the misfortunes of all men, from the beginning of the world, if they be compared to these of the Jews, are not so considerable as they were.” (Preface, p. 427).

    The scholarly Christian translator of Josephus’ works mentions this in a footnote
    : “That these calamities of the Jews, who were our Saviour’s murderers, were to be the greatest that had ever been since the beginning of the world, our Saviour had directly foretold
    (Mt. 24:21; Mk. 13:19; Lk. 21:23,24)
    and that they proved to be such accordingly, Josephus is here a most authentic witness.” (Preface, p.429).

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    ''he confessed''

    Pope John Paul II did in fact admit in his globally publicized “mea culpa” that the Roman Catholic church killed hundreds of millions of men women and children because they would not embrace Catholicism over and above the faith of Jesus Christ they learned of in the Bible.
    The mea culpa of John Paul II was an actual admission to those that do read their Bibles that the Vatican is truly the home of Antichrist.
    The Bible says only one entity will kill the children of the Lord in such a grand scale as this.
    Sad thing is, most of the world does not read their Bibles as the prophet Amos predicted for today. (See Amos 8:11)
    And most of those that do read bibles are unable to understand prophecy because of multiple reasons.


    a study will show
    Jesuit Francisco Rivera invented a system known as the Futurist School of interpretation.
    He taught that the antichrist was to be some future superman who would appear near the end of time and continue in power for three and a half years.
    It is his clever, unscriptural theory which has been resurrected by modern evangelical Protestant Christians.

    And today millions of Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals, etc., hold this anti-Protestant concoction of the Jesuits as some kind of infallible doctrine.
    Yet, those same denominations claim to be faithful supporters of Protestant theology.

    Luther and other stalwart protestors against Catholic errors would be astounded if they were suddenly resurrected to hear what is being taught in the name of Protestantism.
    In the early 1800s the futurist view of Jesuit Ribera passed through certain refinements and additions, including the seven-year tribulation and the snatching away of the saints.

    For the first time, it was espoused by Protestant teachers who were seeking ways of reconciliation with Rome.
    Through the influence and writings of John Nelson Darby of the Plymouth Brethren Church in England, the new doctrine spread to the United States.
    During the middle and latter nineteenth century, it received its biggest boost from Cyrus Scofield, who incorporated it into the notes of his Scofield Reference Bible published in 1909.
    Mahatma Gandhi — 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
    Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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    the question now is this

    Do you believe Yeshua
    or
    the priest named Francisco Riveria and Dr Scofield and the Jesuit agenda.
    scofield_dees2.jpg

    Dr Scofield was a Zionist work.,
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    believe Yeshua or Jesuit Francisco Rivera?

    GET TO KNOW YOUR ENEMY.
    STUDY ''THE OPPOSITION'',
    does your belief system need an overhall?


    For almost 300 years after the Council of Trent, Jesuit Futurism remained largely inside the realm of Catholicism, but the plan of the Jesuits was that these theological tenets be adopted by Protestants.
    This adoption process actually began in the early 1800s in England, and from there it spread to America.
    The story of how this happened is both fascinating and tragic.
    As I briefly share some of the highlights, I want to clarify that I am not judging the genuineness of these Christian men.
    They may have been sincere, yet at the same time deceived in some areas of their theological understanding.

    “The Futurism of Ribera never posed a positive threat to the Protestants for three centuries.
    It was virtually confined to the Roman Church.
    But early in the nineteenth century it sprang forth with vehemence and latched on to Protestants of the Established Church of England.”
    Dr. Samuel Roffey Maitland (1792-1866), a lawyer and Bible scholar, became a librarian to the Archbishop of Canterbury.

    It is very likely that one day he discovered Ribera’s commentary in the library.
    In any event, in 1826 he published a widely-read book attacking the Reformation and supporting Ribera’s idea of a future one-man Antichrist.
    For the next ten years, in tract after tract, he continued his anti-Reformation rhetoric.
    As a result of his zeal and strong attacks against the Reformation in England, the Protestantism of that very nation which produced the King James Bible (1611) received a crushing blow.

    After Dr. Maitland came James H. Todd, a professor of Hebrew at the University of Dublin.
    Todd accepted the futuristic ideas of Maitland, publishing his own supportive pamphlets and books.
    Then came John Henry Newman (1801-1890), a member of the Church of England and a leader of the famous Oxford Movement (1833-1845).
    In 1850, Newman wrote his “Letter on Anglican Difficulties,” revealing that one of the goals in the Oxford Movement was to finally absorb “the various English denominations and parties” back into the Church of Rome.
    After publishing a pamphlet endorsing Todd’s futurism about a one-man Antichrist, Newman soon became a full Roman Catholic, and later even a highly honored Cardinal.
    Through the influence of Maitland, Todd, Newman, and others, a definite “Romeward movement was already arising, destined to sweep away the old Protestant landmarks, as with a flood.”

    Then came the much-respected Scottish Presbyterian minister, Edward Irving (1792-1834), the acknowledged forerunner of both the Pentecostal and Charismatic Movements.
    Irving pastored the large Chalcedonian Chapel in London with over 1,000 members.
    When Irving turned to the prophecies, he eventually accepted the one-man Antichrist idea of Todd, Maitland, Bellarmine, and Ribera, yet he went a step further.
    Somewhere around 1830, Edward Irving began to teach the unique idea of a two-phase return of Christ, the first phase being a secret rapture prior to the rise of the Antichrist.

    Where he got this idea is a matter of much dispute.
    Journalist Dave MacPherson believes Irving accepted it is a result of a prophetic revelation given to a young Scottish girl named Margaret McDonald
    In any case, the fact is, Irving taught it!

    Adding to the Futuristic interpretation of prophecy, John Nelson Darby added the theory of dispensationalism, or the idea that God deals with mankind in major dispensations or periods of time.

    In the midst of this growing anti-Protestant climate in England, there arose a man by the name of John Nelson Darby (1800-1882).
    A brilliant lawyer, pastor, and theologian, he wrote more than 53 books on Bible subjects.
    A much-respected Christian and a man of deep piety, Darby took a strong stand in favor of the infallibility of the Bible in contrast with the liberalism of his day.
    He became one of the leaders of a group in Plymouth, England, which became known as the Plymouth Brethren.
    Darby’s contribution to the development of evangelical theology has been so great that he has been called The Father of Modern Dispensationalism.
    Yet John Nelson Darby, like Edward Irving, also became a strong promoter of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture followed by a one-man Antichrist.
    In fact, this teaching has become a hallmark of Dispensationalism.

    Dispensationalism
    is the theory that God deals with mankind in major dispensations or periods.
    According to Darby, we are now in the “Church Age,” that is, until the Rapture.
    After the Rapture, then the seven-year period of Daniel 9:27 will supposedly kick in, and this is when the Antichrist will rise up against the Jews.
    In fact, John Nelson Darby laid much of the foundation for the present popular removal of Daniel’s 70th week away from history and from Jesus Christ in favor of applying it to a future Tribulation after the Rapture.
    Thus, in spite of all the positives of his ministry, Darby followed Maitland, Todd, Bellarmine, and Ribera by incorporating the teachings of Futurism into his theology.

    This created a link between John Nelson Darby, the Father of Dispen-sationalism, and the Jesuit Francisco Ribera, the Father of Futurism.
    Darby visited America six times between 1859-1874, preaching in all of its major cities, during which time he definitely planted the seeds of Futurism in American soil.
    The child of the Jesuits was growing up.
    Futurism in America


    Cyrus Scofield, the famed publisher of the Scofield Reference Bible, liberally interspersed the footnotes of his Bible with large doses of Futurism.
    These footnotes are still widely accepted by many theologians today.
    One of the most important figures in this whole drama is Cyrus Ingerson Scofield (1843-1921), a Kansas lawyer who was greatly influenced by the writings of Darby.
    In 1909, Scofield published the first edition of his famous Scofield Reference Bible.
    In the early 1900s, this Bible became so popular in American Protestant Bible schools that it was necessary to print literally millions of copies.

    Yet, in the much-respected footnotes of this very Bible, Scofield injected large doses of the fluid of Futurism also found in the writings of Darby, Todd, Maitland, Bellarmine, and Ribera.
    Through the Scofield Bible, the Jesuit child reached young adulthood.
    The doctrine of an Antichrist still to come was becoming firmly established inside 20th-century American Protestantism.

    The Moody Bible Institute and the Dallas Theological Seminary have strongly supported the teachings of John Nelson Darby, and this has continued to fuel Futurism’s growth.
    Then in the 1970s, Pastor Hal Lindsey, a graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary, released his blockbuster book The Late Great Planet Earth.
    This 177-page, easy-to-read volume brought Futurism to the masses of American Christianity, and beyond.
    The New York Times labeled it “The number one best-seller of the decade.”
    Over 30 million copies have been sold, and it has been translated into over 30 languages.
    Through The Late Great Planet Earth, Jesuit Futurism took a strong hold over the Protestant Christian world.

    Left Behind
    Now we have Left Behind.
    In the 1990s, Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins took the future one-man Antichrist idea of Hal Lindsey, Scofield, Darby, Irving, Newman, Todd, Maitland, Bellarmine, and Ribera, and turned it into “The most successful Christian-fiction series ever” (Publishers Weekly).
    Hal Lindsey’s book, The Late Great Planet Earth, was largely theological, which limited its appeal, while Left Behind is a sequence of highly imaginative novels, “overflowing with suspense, action, and adventure,” a “Christian thriller,” with a “label its creators could never have predicted: blockbuster success” (Entertainment Weekly).
    The much-respected television ministries of Jack Van Impe, Peter and Paul Lalonde, and Pastor John Hagee, have all worked together to produce LEFT BEHIND: The Movie.

    The entire project has even caught the attention of the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, resulting in an interview of LaHaye and Jenkins on Larry King Live.
    The Left Behind books have been made available on displays at WalMart, Fry’s Electronics, and inside countless other stores.

    Again, let me clarify, I am not judging the genuineness of the authors of Left Behind and the leaders of these television ministries.
    They may be sincere, and have their own walk with God.
    But they are deceived into wrong ideas concerning Bible prophecy.
    God may even use Left Behind to influence people for Jesus Christ. But, in the full light of Scripture, prophecy, and the Protestant Reformation, something is terribly wrong.
    Left Behind is now teaching much of the same Jesuit Futurism as Francisco Ribera, which is hiding the real truth about the Antichrist.

    Through Left Behind, the floodgates of Futurism have been opened, unleashing a massive tidal wave of false prophecy which is now sweeping over America.
    Sadly, it is a false “idea whose time has come.”

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    Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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    it seems from history the tribulation of the last days is a

    concoction of Jesuit ideas,
    and lately taken up by Jesuits lobbists as a money spinner, to indoctrinate the sheeples in churches, into a NWO as some paradisical adventure and golden age to come
    instead, the reality shall be the ''Hunger Games. Inc.''~~~~ if the plan succeeds
    Dallas Theological Seminary
    Founded by Jesuits and Zionists
    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/b/boo.../N-29Z8q8Z1bfe
    The galaxy of modern exponents of futurism revolve around the Dallas
    Theological Seminary. They are all outspoken supports of Zionism as
    were its founders.
    The key to understanding DTS is see the men behind C.I. Scofield.


    POPULAR PREACHERS OUT OF D.T.S.????
    https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-d...ents/reference
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    the con continues.... and the churched sheeples love it

    The Geneva Bible clearly witnesses that Jesus fulfilled the 70th week of Daniel, and the Roman army went on to desolate the Jews, so it has nothing to do with an end-times antichrist.
    But the King James Bible did not include these study notes, so they were unavailable to future generations, which allowed the Jesuits deception to creep into the church.
    Their dual message of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ apart from works, together with the message that Papal Rome is the Antichrist, changed the course of history.

    When Martin Luther posted his ‘Ninety-Five Theses‘ in 1517, it was widely regarded as the initial catalyst for the Protestant Reformation.
    The Protestant Reformers told people to “come out of her” (Rev. 18:4) and millions left the Roman Catholic Church and received Jesus as their Savior, which led to the formation of the Protestant churches.

    The Protestant Reformation led to a Great Awakening, where worldwide missions led to millions of people coming to Jesus.
    Satan no doubt was livid as he watched God spread His Holy Word and the saving Gospel around the world, so the deceiver devised a new plan.
    The Roman Catholic Church empowered the Jesuits to counter the Reformation.

    In 1545, they started meeting at what’s called the Council of Trent. One of its main purposes was to plan a counterattack against Martin Luther and the Protestants.
    To do this they empowered the Jesuits, who were a secret Catholic order founded by Ignatius Loyola.
    They call themselves the Society of Jesus, but you’ll soon find out that they are the Society of Satan.

    Their work was to be done not only through the Inquisition and through torture, but also through theology and deception.
    The Catholic Church gave the Jesuits the specific assignment of bringing Protestantism back to the “Mother Church.”
    Look at the state of today’s liberal Lutheran church, and you know they’ve been successful.

    Central to this plan, was the need to deflect accusations that they were the Antichrist beast system.
    The Jesuits are a covert military order of the Roman Catholic Church, not just priests.
    They use fifth column tactics to infiltrate every institution they seek to destroy.
    Instead of attacking from the outside, where everyone can see them, they covertly attack from the inside.
    The Jesuits infiltrate the very thing they wish to destroy.
    They’ve pretended to be Christians and have infiltrated Christian institutions, to implement their deceptions inside the walls of Christianity.

    They countered accusations by creating the concept of an end times 70th week of Daniel, featuring a one man Antichrist.
    The Roman Catholic Church had Jesuit Priest Francisco Ribera, a brilliant man with a doctorate in theology, write a 500 page commentary with an opposing view, where he manipulated prophecies in the books of Daniel and Revelation, to create an end-time 7-year tribulation antichrist.



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    we have to ask this question?

    why was the modern day ''last day tribulation'' only ''invented'' in 1500s and now has become A THEME for churches and a ''true doctrine''?
    for what purpose was it invented + taught as a last day doctrine for the end time churches.

    one section of this church end time mass hysteria comes from the JWs and their literatures given away as freebies.
    If you do some homework on the leader/founder of this group you maybe surprised to know he was a freemason~ the same group who wishes to build a hunger games society, and called it '' the golden age of paradisical proportions''

    do you wish to live in a ''hunger games'' society?
    ofcourse not
    so you need to be INDOCTRINATED into it, and '' give your approval to it'' because '' it comes from God''.
    however
    This programme needs to be gradually introduced - it is called GRADUALISM [one drop at a time.] and so gradually a lie becomes THE TRUTH.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7dRS0Zra18
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    could some verses in the book of Revelation be changed, to ''prove'' an agenda

    of man!!!
    An interesting thought???

    The best way to ''mind control'' a population is to tell them ''god said'' from childhood.
    This ''trick'' goes into the whole culture and becomes '' their truth''.
    ask
    Was John's work, added too to suit a purpose?
    Was John's work, taken away from its original message?
    How can we know for sure?
    So, when the verses are altered, by man, it makes DARKNESS the victor.
    BTW by fragmenting the storyline as John wrote it, ie. by dividing it into chapters and verses is an attempt to alter its energy.

    When we see the CHARACTER step outside the revealed character of Jesus and His Father, found in the gospels KNOW, darkness has appeared ''as light''
    why?
    YESHUA AND THE FATHER don't play the roles of DR JEKYLL AND MR HYDE.
    darkness pretends to be ''peace'' but is a demigod of war~~and Christians love their wars BUT not their enemies~~~
    When you see Yeshua stepping out from HIS REVEALED character in the gospels KNOW what is written is a corrupt work of darkness.
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    our CULTure and its POWER OVER US...

    we are told the whole world lies in the power of the wicked one. 1 John 5 v19
    why do we think we personally are outside the lie, that engulfs the whole of our society called THE MATRIX.
    inside Matrix/vanity IS deception~~~
    EXPLAIN?
    every facet of our social CULTure is connected to some form of deception
    now
    why would the bible escape?
    DONT YOU THINK, the bible and other ''religious holy books'' posing as ''gods word'' and adored by billions of very religious souls, would be targeted for corruption or do you wear rose coloured glasses from your BIBLE CULTure indoctrinations?

    Satan said to Yeshua '' if you bow down to me, I will give you all the kingdoms of the world to worship you''
    Yeshua never said such a claim was a lie [Math 4 v 9-10]

    The moment Yeshua opened His mouth to proclaim the Goodnews, DARKNESS was there following, all primed and ready to corrupt THE SAVIOUR'S new instructions of divine kingdom message.
    BELIEVERS ARE BLESSED that atleast some kernels of truth remain.


    an example of corruption.
    he Angel at the Bethesda Pool
    In the Gospel of John, it is recorded:
    “In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.
    For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water:
    whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had”
    (John 5:3-4).

    do you think Abba our creator AND HIS SAVIOUR SON FOUND IN THE GOSPEL would be watching the maimed, the sick, the limbless, the dying, struggle and TRY TO BEAT EACH OTHER IN SOME WEIRD COMPETITION of ''who can get to the pool first to be healed''
    -Its like some form of a PARAPLEGICS OLYMPIC GAMES event going on here at the pool AND THE 1ST IN GOT THE MEDAL FOR '''HEALTH RESTORED''

    you well may believe this story because of your social acceptance and bible indoctrinations
    - Have you never wondered about the strangeness of it?
    Does Abba and His Son Yeshua, dangle the carrot or play ‘cat-and-mouse’ or tease the weak and helpless
    ask
    Does He take pleasure in watching physically handicapped people awkwardly trying to jostle their way to the pool to get healed, where only the fastest one wins?


    “waiting for the moving” in verse 3, and all of verse 4 are not found in the more original copied manuscripts? ofcourse the copy from copies from copies

    so I would now like you to watch this and ''see'' what follows on from this one story
    Lourdes, Fatima, and Catholic occultish heresies
    https://sacredsites.com/europe/franc...des_facts.html

    to understand corruption/darkness - you need to UNDERSTAND ''the main characters'' in the play~
    character 1 - love joy peace faithfulness.
    character2 - destroy harm kill maim jealous fear.

    Abba, the father of Jesus in the gospel has a character, if you know anything of Him.
    Would He do such a thing?
    Does He display similar cruelty and callousness anywhere else in gospels
    This is a contradiction of the testimony of the Scriptures concerning the character of Abba.

    a “Catch 22” if there ever was one!
    The Bible is to be believed as the Word of God by most religious peoples.
    notice please
    This Word of God warns against adding to, or subtracting from, its words.
    Which means it is possible to do, otherwise it is a vain warning and the Bible is not perfect after all.
    So then men, disregarding the solemn admonition of the Bible, add to it or subtract from it, and we, by God’s grace and discernment, must now watch out for imperfections in a Bible.
    Mahatma Gandhi — 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
    Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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    the deception comes up the line from generation to'' the churched generations''

    THE CULTure of a lie moves up the line from one generation into another so a lie becomes ''their truths''
    The enemy has programmed Christians to look to the future for the fulfillment, as most prophecy teachers say that all of the Revelation seals, trumpets and bowls take place in the end-times.
    This is called futurism.
    Mahatma Gandhi — 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
    Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    we are told the whole world lies in the power of the wicked one. 1 John 5 v19
    why do we think we personally are outside the lie, that engulfs the whole of our society called THE MATRIX.
    inside Matrix/vanity IS deception~~~
    EXPLAIN?
    every facet of our social CULTure is connected to some form of deception
    now
    why would the bible escape?
    DONT YOU THINK, the bible and other ''religious holy books'' posing as ''gods word'' and adored by billions of very religious souls, would be targeted for corruption or do you wear rose coloured glasses from your BIBLE CULTure indoctrinations?

    Satan said to Yeshua '' if you bow down to me, I will give you all the kingdoms of the world to worship you''
    Yeshua never said such a claim was a lie [Math 4 v 9-10]

    The moment Yeshua opened His mouth to proclaim the Goodnews, DARKNESS was there following, all primed and ready to corrupt THE SAVIOUR'S new instructions of divine kingdom message.
    BELIEVERS ARE BLESSED that atleast some kernels of truth remain.


    an example of corruption.

    he Angel at the Bethesda Pool
    In the Gospel of John, it is recorded:
    “In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.
    For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water:
    whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had”
    (John 5:3-4).

    do you think Abba our creator AND HIS SAVIOUR SON FOUND IN THE GOSPEL would be watching the maimed, the sick, the limbless, the dying, struggle and TRY TO BEAT EACH OTHER IN SOME WEIRD COMPETITION of ''who can get to the pool first to be healed''
    -Its like some form of a PARAPLEGICS OLYMPIC GAMES event going on here at the pool AND THE 1ST IN GOT THE MEDAL FOR '''HEALTH RESTORED''

    you well may believe this story because of your social acceptance and bible indoctrinations
    - Have you never wondered about the strangeness of it?
    Does Abba and His Son Yeshua, dangle the carrot or play ‘cat-and-mouse’ or tease the weak and helpless
    ask
    Does He take pleasure in watching physically handicapped people awkwardly trying to jostle their way to the pool to get healed, where only the fastest one wins?


    “waiting for the moving” in verse 3, and all of verse 4 are not found in the more original copied manuscripts? ofcourse the copy from copies from copies

    so I would now like you to watch this and ''see'' what follows on from this one story
    Lourdes, Fatima, and Catholic occultish heresies
    https://sacredsites.com/europe/franc...des_facts.html

    to understand corruption/darkness - you need to UNDERSTAND ''the main characters'' in the play~
    character 1 - love joy peace faithfulness.
    character2 - destroy harm kill maim jealous fear.

    Abba, the father of Jesus in the gospel has a character, if you know anything of Him.
    Would He do such a thing?
    Does He display similar cruelty and callousness anywhere else in gospels
    This is a contradiction of the testimony of the Scriptures concerning the character of Abba.

    a “Catch 22” if there ever was one!
    The Bible is to be believed as the Word of God by most religious peoples.
    notice please
    This Word of God warns against adding to, or subtracting from, its words.
    Which means it is possible to do, otherwise it is a vain warning and the Bible is not perfect after all.
    So then men, disregarding the solemn admonition of the Bible, add to it or subtract from it, and we, by God’s grace and discernment, must now watch out for imperfections in a Bible.
    Lucy,

    All of the newer 1860s-1960s translations like the N.I.V. R.S.V. etc have removed whole verses, words, and some even whole chapters from their translations, and there are people, I for one, and that have compared these newer translations to the A.V. 1611 O.K.J.V. and the O.K.J V is still the version with the least errors.

    Most of the newer translation have removed the verses proving Messiah's Deity, but the AV 1611 OKJV still has it in there.

    Anyone can go here below to the B.L.B. and compare the chapters and verses of the newer translations like N.I.V. RSV and so on to the AV 1611 O.K.J.V.

    http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...=feeling&t=KJV

    The AV 1611 OKJV is still the best English translation up to date, and all the newer translations I mentioned above and more are made by the Jesuit Freemasons.

    PS: People who read from the newer apostate Jesuit Freemason N.I.V. RSV and so on will be apostate too, because these newer translations were made to lead Christians into apostasy.

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    Lucy,

    I will say a quick Hi, and goodnite, I have been up for 2 days and 2 nights, and I really need some restful sleep.

    Good nite dear Lucy.

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    what we have been led to believe aint necessarily so~~~~

    The Creator knew that the pens of the scribes & translators would be corrupted and even substitute the names of Baal for the True Name and foretold it & even prepared for it.
    Jer. 23:26-27
    26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
    27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.
    Jer. 8:8
    8 "How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain."
    9 "The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the Lord; and what wisdom is in them?
    Many people try to say that GOD would never allow anyone to corrupt His Holy Word and mistranslate the scriptures.
    Do we not have unholy translations today?
    Of course we do.

    The NIV was written by unrepentant, open homosexuals.
    The NIV is the official bible of the unholy homosexual metropolitan church.
    It has been mistranslated.
    There are other translations called the Queen James Bible and other evil translations.

    The King James Version is just one more relatively modern corrupted translation of man.
    More and more modern translations are further twisting GOD's Word based on their personal beliefs.
    What makes you think that man did not do the same thing in earlier generations?

    The original Scripture's were HOLY AND PURE.
    Man's translation's are not pure.
    The translation that the Israelites brought out of Babylon was not pure.
    GOD knew that people would add to and take away from the original scriptures.
    There are NO original scriptures, but copies of many copies of copies.
    Mahatma Gandhi — 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
    Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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    Spirit of Truth

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    The Creator knew that the pens of the scribes & translators would be corrupted and even substitute the names of Baal for the True Name and foretold it & even prepared for it.


    Many people try to say that GOD would never allow anyone to corrupt His Holy Word and mistranslate the scriptures.
    Do we not have unholy translations today?
    Of course we do.

    The NIV was written by unrepentant, open homosexuals.
    The NIV is the official bible of the unholy homosexual metropolitan church.
    It has been mistranslated.
    There are other translations called the Queen James Bible and other evil translations.

    The King James Version is just one more relatively modern corrupted translation of man.
    More and more modern translations are further twisting GOD's Word based on their personal beliefs.
    What makes you think that man did not do the same thing in earlier generations?

    The original Scripture's were HOLY AND PURE.
    Man's translation's are not pure.
    The translation that the Israelites brought out of Babylon was not pure.
    GOD knew that people would add to and take away from the original scriptures.
    There are NO original scriptures, but copies of many copies of copies.
    Shalom Lucy, did not Yeshua "open" The Scriptures to His Disciples? Were these corrupted, twisted Scriptures from Babylon, that were not "pure?" When Yeshua said that if you do not believe what Moses wrote, you will not believe what He says, do you think He was referring to these twisted Scriptures from Babylon that you believe were existing? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

    P.S. How can the Spirit of Truth guide you into ALL Truth if the Holy Scriptures are as corrupted as you teach? Or how can man LIVE by EVERY WORD that proceeds forth out of the mouth of Yahweh Elohim, if those are corrupt words?
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah determines those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses. So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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