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    JESUS- [ of the 4 gospels] versus YAH -[ the god of the O.T ] in character ministry

    a character study,
    wooweeee
    that should bring out the religious devils in some and their fight to preserve the grossest of evil as a '' divine goodness''.

    QUESTION?
    WHY DID THE SAVIOUR COME
    ANSWER
    = TO SET THE CAPTIVES FREE

    He came to the JEWS FIRST.
    ask?
    WHY WERE THE JEWS HELD AS CAPTIVES and WHY DID THEY NEED THEIR FREEDOM?
    the word c.a.p.t.i.v.e should be a huge clue

    true facts are
    Since the beginnings of '''Christian theology,''' people have recognized the tension between some of the violent portraits of God in the Old Testament versus the revelation of our Father in Christ Jesus.
    solution
    The churches ''lets Play Head in the sand'' trick.
    how?
    They like to pretend that these views are not contradictory.
    So they have created a dance of fancy theological footwork to merge the image of violence with the image of peace.
    They try to say it’s not “contradiction”, and use words like “paradox” and “mystery” instead.
    They say things like “God’s ways are higher than our ways.”


    All the while, we know it doesn’t add up.
    The reality is that we see two opposing portraits of God in the scriptures:
    a violent God of wrath slaughtering his enemies and commanding his people to do the same,
    and
    Jesus saying his Father is kind to the ungrateful and wicked, saying He loves His enemies and commanding us to do the same.

    lets step back here a little and view from another angle~~~
    example
    a person is tormented by powerful demons, far greater in strength than themselves, to commit sin something, they would not do infront of their mother
    = who really should be punished?
    the tormented powerless man unable to defend himself or his tormentor~~~

    WHERE IS TRUE JUSTICE in killing a person who was powerless to defend themselves against a mighty demon [enemy]

    NOTICE for this problem JESUS didn't kill the tormented man/woman BUT CAST OUT their attacking demons.
    a totally different ministry that YAH of the O.T.

    Jesus is, “the image of the invisible God,” and THE standard by which all other images of God must be held accountable.

    now despite all contrary bewitching religious views and inserted corrupted verses NO OTHER MINISTRY is acceptable but the standard of THE SAVIOUR.
    = NO OTHER VIEW IS NOW POSSIBLE

    BTW
    those who would defend the grossness of evil are of the devil THEMSELVES~~~
    Mahatma Gandhi — 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
    Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    a character study,
    wooweeee
    that should bring out the religious devils in some and their fight to preserve the grossest of evil as a '' divine goodness''.

    QUESTION?
    WHY DID THE SAVIOUR COME
    ANSWER
    = TO SET THE CAPTIVES FREE

    He came to the JEWS FIRST.
    ask?
    WHY WERE THE JEWS HELD AS CAPTIVES and WHY DID THEY NEED THEIR FREEDOM?
    the word c.a.p.t.i.v.e should be a huge clue

    true facts are
    Since the beginnings of '''Christian theology,''' people have recognized the tension between some of the violent portraits of God in the Old Testament versus the revelation of our Father in Christ Jesus.
    solution
    The churches ''lets Play Head in the sand'' trick.
    how?
    They like to pretend that these views are not contradictory.
    So they have created a dance of fancy theological footwork to merge the image of violence with the image of peace.
    They try to say it’s not “contradiction”, and use words like “paradox” and “mystery” instead.
    They say things like “God’s ways are higher than our ways.”





    lets step back here a little and view from another angle~~~
    example
    a person is tormented by powerful demons, far greater in strength than themselves, to commit sin something, they would not do infront of their mother
    = who really should be punished?
    the tormented powerless man unable to defend himself or his tormentor~~~

    WHERE IS TRUE JUSTICE in killing a person who was powerless to defend themselves against a mighty demon [enemy]

    NOTICE for this problem JESUS didn't kill the tormented man/woman BUT CAST OUT their attacking demons.
    a totally different ministry that YAH of the O.T.

    Jesus is, “the image of the invisible God,” and THE standard by which all other images of God must be held accountable.

    now despite all contrary bewitching religious views and inserted corrupted verses NO OTHER MINISTRY is acceptable but the standard of THE SAVIOUR.
    = NO OTHER VIEW IS NOW POSSIBLE

    BTW
    those who would defend the grossness of evil are of the devil THEMSELVES~~~
    More religious hot air of vanity 2 Peter 2:18.

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    the whole ministry of Jesus offered forgiveness

    to all captives
    and the release from their aggressive demons - aka- those powerful invisible entities called the enemy [ the devil]
    “There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear.
    For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.” – 1 John 4:18
    religious people live with such a conglomeration of opposing divine portraits,
    this is how they think
    '' I never know how God really felt about me.
    He loves me infinitely but also plans to destroy me if I don’t live right? ''

    The majority of people are holding this view are enslaved by fear, incapable of thinking reasonably about the nature of Abba and His Son of the 4 gospels nor of their AGAPE love.
    Mahatma Gandhi — 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
    Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    to all captives
    and the release from their aggressive demons - aka- those powerful invisible entities called the enemy [ the devil]


    religious people live with such a conglomeration of opposing divine portraits,
    this is how they think
    '' I never know how God really felt about me.
    He loves me infinitely but also plans to destroy me if I don’t live right? ''

    The majority of people are holding this view are enslaved by fear, incapable of thinking reasonably about the nature of Abba and His Son of the 4 gospels nor of their AGAPE love.
    Which is true love; letting people live forever in sin and depravity, or simply put them to and eternal second death Rev.20:14?

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    the bible has been used by christians. and others ofcourse...

    To excuse
    slavery,
    war,
    genocide,
    torture,
    vengeance,
    capital punishment, and
    the superiority complex of the “chosen”.

    ALL of these things are the opposite of Jesus and His Gospel messages.

    HE JESUS ALONE REMAINS THE TRUE STANDARD FOR ALL gods and their ministries

    Today and through history, IS the this dichotomous view of God breeding self-righteousness and fear.
    People using whatever portrait of God they can find on the biblical smorgasbord of divine portraits to excuse whatever kind of violent and unloving attitude they have against people they hate or disagree with.
    the violent condemnation of others who have different views are called “heretics” and there is no general consensus on the truth of God’s nature.
    ABBA the NAME IS HIS CHARACTER =FATHER.
    THIS IS JESUS A GOSPEL TITLE FOR HIS FATHER no other
    Mahatma Gandhi — 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
    Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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    actually BEING TAUGHT BY CHRIST not by man nor self

    makes Christ APPEAR in our lives to become HIS ETERNAL NEW CREATIONS
    JOHN i0 V 10
    IS the higher way revealed by Jesus THAT trumps the violent projections of mankind onto the God of the O.T. forefathers.

    I have resolved to simply focus on Jesus, His GOODNEWS AND HOW HE SETS THE CAPTIVES FREE = since I believe He is the highest revelation of God abba
    aka – a God who gives me peace and hope and yet never lets me be comfortable in sin or apathy.

    A God who demonstrates a furious, self-giving love and pro-active empathy for humanity and is dedicated to justice for the oppressed and victimized.
    A God who is with us and for us.
    A God like Jesus. = IS MY LORD my MESSIAH AND my holy beautiful loving KING forever amen
    Mahatma Gandhi — 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
    Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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    taught by Jesus who said ''FOLLOW ME''

    ofcourse
    Many religious churched people accuse those who believe in a nonviolent God of making a God in their own image,
    really?
    but those who believe in a nonviolent FATHER over his family are getting their views first and foremost from Jesus, who says HE IS the perfect “image of the invisible God.”


    SO


    all is well with my soul and I uphold the true standard of my Saviour....HE IS LOVE


    Brennan Manning hit the nail on the head:

    I am deeply distressed by what I can only call in our Christian culture the idolatry of the Scriptures.
    For many Christians, the Bible is not a pointer to God but God himself.
    In a word – bibliolatry.
    God cannot be confined to a leather-bound book.
    I develop a nasty rash around people who speak as if mere scrutiny of its pages will reveal precisely how God thinks and precisely what God wants.

    The four Gospels are the key to knowing Jesus.
    But conversely, Jesus is the key to knowing the meaning of the gospel – and of the Bible as a whole.

    Instead of remaining content with the bare letter, we should pass on to the more profound mysteries that are available only through intimate and heartfelt knowledge of Jesus.

    – Brennan Manning, The Signature of Jesus, 1996, p. 174-175
    most people in church don't know Jesus for if they did they would not be there
    Mahatma Gandhi — 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
    Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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    the OT god Yah -of the flesh versus Jesus. god of our Spirit

    the Yah - flesh god
    Jesus - the spiritual teacher to awaken our spiritual true man.

    It is no good to follow the law of Moses and its flesh god YAH = it is all vanity and it is worshipping the ''god'' of the Matrix

    in the 1st film Matrix,
    notice there was so few people aware ''something was wrong'' and most were unconcerned and happy to be ''plugged in''

    it is the same today
    so few ''come out from the system of vanity'' and so few ''grow up into maturity of christ''
    2 groups - the plugged into vanity and loving it and those few who Jesus has called out to be UNPLUGGED from vanity and to dwell here on earth in the Kingdom.

    HIS SPIRITUAL WARRIORS who have progressively moved OUT FROM THEIR FLESH, and progressively moved into christ and live IN His eternal life here. amen

    because YHWH of the OT represents the sinful flesh god satan he was nor is Jesus Father.
    UNLESS Jesus reveals this truth to you - you will always dwell in the deceptive flesh of man - with an unsound mind

    Who is OUR REAL father = father of our spirits.
    ABBA.
    JESUS CALLED HIM - MY FATHER.

    our inner spiritual man KNOWS the Father of Life.
    Mahatma Gandhi — 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
    Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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    It’s simple Lucy.

    Lucy, it’s very simple. Yahweh, the OT Elohim is the Father, and He is ALSO Yeshua, and you are in utter confusion with your teachings and doctrines:

    Isa 64:8 But now, O Yahweh, thou [art] our Father; we [are] the clay, and Thou our potter; and we all [are] the work of Thy hand.

    Jn 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know Him, and have seen Him.
    Jn 14:8 Philip saith unto Him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it will suffice us.
    Jn 14:9 Yeshua saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

    You see my dear Lucy, Yeshua WAS Yahweh of the OT and He “emptied” Himself to become a man so as to teach us how to OBEY The Father. It’s rather simple when you “see” and “believe” that Yeshua/Yahweh and the Father ARE One. Ken
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah determines those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses. So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    YES~ dear Ken i am very sure MANY millions of religious souls

    Quote Originally Posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Lucy, it’s very simple. Yahweh, the OT Elohim is the Father, and He is ALSO Yeshua, and you are in utter confusion with your teachings and doctrines:

    Isa 64:8 But now, O Yahweh, thou [art] our Father; we [are] the clay, and Thou our potter; and we all [are] the work of Thy hand.

    Jn 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know Him, and have seen Him.
    Jn 14:8 Philip saith unto Him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it will suffice us.
    Jn 14:9 Yeshua saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

    You see my dear Lucy, Yeshua WAS Yahweh of the OT and He “emptied” Himself to become a man so as to teach us how to OBEY The Father. It’s rather simple when you “see” and “believe” that Yeshua/Yahweh and the Father ARE One. Ken

    shall certainly agree with you - no doubts about this at all.
    And cheer you on, for taking a stand against the Truth .
    Mahatma Gandhi — 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
    Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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    it takes divine courage to STAND up FOR THE GOSPEL

    Jesus was KILLED for preaching His kingdom message.
    why so?
    BECAUSE He came to awaken our sleeping spiritual man - that mighty child-who was being HELD CAPTIVE by satan, to their flesh and were UNABLE TO BE SET FREE from the cruelty of their continual captivity.
    the children of Abba were locked into the ''law of the flesh and its gods''

    The SAVIOUR needed to awaken the children of Abba from their stupor, so they can finally become freed from satan and the ways of the flesh they were trapped into.

    OUR very life depends on becoming awakened and to move out from vanity - begin to live as a mighty child HERE of our Father Just as Jesus did by being empowered with the ''Christ verb'' and to walk in His image and His same ministry here and today.

    THE GOODNEWS = is opposite to the ''flesh news'' of the OT where all remained slaves to their flesh and failed to MOVE INTO THE DIVINE EMPOWERMENTS OF THE ''Christ verb'' here on earth,
    Jesus CAME TO MINISTER OUT MERCY, FORGIVENESS and LOVE to all who repented from their former ignorance and who became awakened and wise to their freedom in divine salvation.
    Mahatma Gandhi — 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
    Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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    the 'order of 1st mention'' [ is when a character is introduced it remains the same]

    Under the First Mention principle, the idea is that God indicates the truth that stands in His mind that will not change later on.
    bearing this in mind look at.............
    Exodus 12 v 24
    The Lord said to Moses,
    “Come up to me on the mountain and stay here, and I will give you the tablets of stone with the law and commandments I have written for their instruction.”
    ''Come Up - says the lord to Moses
    I will give you the tablets of stone with the law and commandments I have written for their instruction''
    THE LORD+ THE TABLETS OF STONE = 1st mention.


    And the LORD
    h3068
    יְהֹוָה
    Yĕhovah

    so we need to know this character called ''the lord'' = who is it? =YAH/YWHW/JEHOVAH/Yahweh
    therefore
    acts 7 v 37-38 now tells us WHO YAH/YWHW/JEHOVAH is?

    This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
    now we discover that
    the LORD Yahweh - is an angel who wrote the ''lively oracles'' on the stone

    2nd witness
    Act 7 v 52- 53
    Acts 7:53
    53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
    Yah/YHWH/Jehovah/Yahweh = angel/angels who gave Moses the law. =- the beginning of their character

    Jesus in the beginning of His character is known as THE WORD [ John 1] AND WAS NEVER ''AN ANGEL''

    the beginning of Jesus = THE WORD [john 1]
    the beginning of 'the lord Yah/Jehovah/Yahweh/YHWH - angel or angels
    the LORD Yahweh - is an angel who wrote the ''lively oracles'' on the stone


    Jesus says of His father
    John 17:26...."and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."…
    Christ knows the Father and makes known His name, i.e. His attributes and shows forth Father's character and fruits from within Himself

    therefore Jesus nor Our Father can ever be described as '' angel/angels''
    Mahatma Gandhi — 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
    Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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    Lucy,

    The word "angel" H4397 also means "messenger".

    מֲלְאָךְ mălʼâk, mal-awk'; from an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically, of God, i.e. an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher):—ambassador, angel, king, messenger.

    http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexic...gs=H4397&t=KJV

    The Greek: ἄγγελος ángelos, ang'-el-os; from ἀγγέλλω angéllō (probably derived from G71; compare G34) (to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication, a pastor:—angel, messenger.

    http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexic...ongs=G32&t=KJV

    Behold, I will send H7971 my messenger, H4397 and he shall prepare H6437 the way H1870 before H6440 me: and the Lord, H113 whom ye seek, H1245 shall suddenly H6597 come H935 to his temple, H1964 even the messenger H4397 of the covenant, H1285 whom ye delight H2655 in: behold, he shall come, H935 saith H559 the LORD H3068 of hosts. H6635 Malachi 3:1.

    Who is the Messenger or Angel of the Covenants?

    For G1063 this G3778 is G2076 he, of G4012 whom G3739 it is written, G1125 Behold, G2400 I G1473 send G649 my G3450 messenger G32 before G4253 thy G4675 face, G4383 which G3739 shall prepare G2680 thy G4675 way G3598 before G1715 thee. G4675 Matthew 11:10.

    We have 3 witnesses Matthew 11:10; Luke 7:27:, and Messiah Himself, which proves that Messiah Yah'Shua is the "angel" or "messenger" of the covenants.

    Your post above shows how really scripturally ignorant you really are regarding its truth.

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    ''third heaven knowledge'' [Saul?Paul used the expression.]

    the expression is '' whether inside or outside the body''

    the OT YAH god [ an angel] made up the laws for the flesh and wrote them down = for the outside the body aka trapped into a prison = the outward man
    the N.T. Saviour [ and HIS Christ empowering verb imparted] is for the INSIDE of the body - to quicken the true man within to release him from all deadly fleshly bondages.

    Jesus brought the good news of a 3rd level knowledge - that would release our trapped inner child.
    HE MADE ''ALIVE OUR SPIRITUAL MAN,'' who needed to be UNCHAINED from the laws of angels.
    [John 5 v 39 - 40 = you search the scriptures for in them you think you find eternal life...............]
    problem
    the real problem is '' they are not willing to come to Jesus'' to find the hidden knowledge that leads into ETERNAL LIFE.
    ''FOLLOW ME'' - is knowing how to use the Christ empowerment verb in an intimate and personal way Just as Jesus knew.
    few find this~~~

    All the staged ''performances'' of the god of the OT have proven to be worthless AND MEANINGLESS AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH the true Father [Abba His name]

    Yes Jesus does walk through the entire scriptures as ''He opened them to the 2 disciples on the road to Emmanus, showing them the hidden hand of scriptures they never had seen before '' BUT NEVER AS angel messenger yah/Yahweh/Jehovah/ YHWH
    Mahatma Gandhi — 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
    Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    the expression is '' whether inside or outside the body''

    the OT YAH god [ an angel] made up the laws for the flesh and wrote them down = for the outside the body aka trapped into a prison = the outward man
    the N.T. Saviour [ and HIS Christ empowering verb imparted] is for the INSIDE of the body - to quicken the true man within to release him from all deadly fleshly bondages.

    Jesus brought the good news of a 3rd level knowledge - that would release our trapped inner child.
    HE MADE ''ALIVE OUR SPIRITUAL MAN,'' who needed to be UNCHAINED from the laws of angels.
    [John 5 v 39 - 40 = you search the scriptures for in them you think you find eternal life...............]
    problem
    the real problem is '' they are not willing to come to Jesus'' to find the hidden knowledge that leads into ETERNAL LIFE.
    ''FOLLOW ME'' - is knowing how to use the Christ empowerment verb in an intimate and personal way Just as Jesus knew.
    few find this~~~

    All the staged ''performances'' of the god of the OT have proven to be worthless AND MEANINGLESS AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH the true Father [Abba His name]

    Yes Jesus does walk through the entire scriptures as ''He opened them to the 2 disciples on the road to Emmanus, showing them the hidden hand of scriptures they never had seen before '' BUT NEVER AS angel messenger yah/Yahweh/Jehovah/ YHWH
    More made up religious vanity and don't know the Creator nor his name; because his name is not 'Father'.

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