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    the ''LAKE OF FIRE'' called THE 2ND DEATH = what is it really so we understand

    The Lake of Fire
    The passages in Revelation which speak of the lake of fire should be a warning to any unthinking people who say that we have no reason to serve God now if we are all going to be saved eventually.
    Such people show that they are serving God out of fear of punishment and not out of love and devotion to Him.
    Those who truly love God do not serve Him out of fear, but out of love.

    This lake is described as “the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)
    Fire is really heat and light.
    Brimstone, which is sulphur, was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks and was used to purify and consecrate to the deity.

    To anyone trained in Greek, a “ lake of fire and brimstone” would mean a lake of divine purification.
    Such a judgment does not save anyone, but it is used by God to change attitude and will and to consume rebellion.
    The basic purpose of this divine fire is to rid His lost people of evil.
    Only as the Spirit of God works on the proud carnal mind can a person be brought to broken-hearted repentance.

    The Second Death
    There is a definition of the second death in
    Revelation 20:14. “Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”
    Death itself is cast into the lake of fire.
    Hades (hell), the realm of the dead, is cast into the lake of fire.
    And those whose names are not written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, those who are dead in sins…are cast into the lake of fire.

    That is the end of death and hell and sin.
    It is clear that God does not destroy people in the lake of fire.
    That would be a contradiction of terms.

    How can you destroy death by bringing people under the power of eternal death?

    It is not people who are destroyed in this fire.
    It is sin, death, and hell that are destroyed.
    The lake of fire is nothing more nor less than the death of death.

    meaning

    The offense of the first Adam brought all men under the sentence of death for sin.
    Most mortal bodies are in a state of dying, while their minds need to be freed from…the things of the flesh to minding the things of the Spirit.
    The act of disobedience of Adam brought forth death.
    Now the obedience and work of righteousness of the last Adam [Christ] also brings forth a death for every man.
    [But this time it is the death of sin,]

    this is the true understanding of the ''lake of fire and the 2nd death'' and nothing to do with man made up myths of eternal punishments and eternal tormenting.
    FEAR loses.
    LOVE WINS
    As God removes the veil that is spread over all nations, the people will be able to recognize truth when they see it.
    The spell of Babylonian witchcraft has weakened noticeably.
    All the years of spiritual warfare that we and others have done are now paying off.

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    you use the ''' ANOINTED MIND'''' now to understand

    not the unanointed unsound mind of carnal flesh

    Ray Prinzing wrote an excellent expounding...

    Behold the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them,
    and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them and be
    their God….and there shall be no more death. (Revelation 21:3,4)
    The ringing declaration,
    “The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death” overthrows the whole structure of accepted but unproved theology that shuts up the mass of the human race in “eternal death.”

    The lake of fire must end because death and hell are cast into it.
    In the end there shall be no more death
    To say there is no more death is to say that there are no more sinners,
    why?
    for sinners are dead men, dead in trespasses and sins.

    To say that there is no more death = is to say that Father has not burned up all the wicked and left them dead or in hell, for as long as any creature of God is in a state of death, death is not abolished.


    To say there is no more death is to say there is no more ''hell'', for ''hell'' is the realm of the dead.
    To say there is no more death is to say there is no more lake of fire, for the lake of fire is the second death.
    To say there is no more death is o say there is no more sin, for the wages of sin is death.


    What a universe of truth is contained in three little words: No More Death!
    As God removes the veil that is spread over all nations, the people will be able to recognize truth when they see it.
    The spell of Babylonian witchcraft has weakened noticeably.
    All the years of spiritual warfare that we and others have done are now paying off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    not the unanointed unsound mind of carnal flesh

    Ray Prinzing wrote an excellent expounding...



    The ringing declaration,
    “The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death” overthrows the whole structure of accepted but unproved theology that shuts up the mass of the human race in “eternal death.”

    The lake of fire must end because death and hell are cast into it.
    In the end there shall be no more death
    To say there is no more death is to say that there are no more sinners,
    why?
    for sinners are dead men, dead in trespasses and sins.

    To say that there is no more death = is to say that Father has not burned up all the wicked and left them dead or in hell, for as long as any creature of God is in a state of death, death is not abolished.


    To say there is no more death is to say there is no more ''hell'', for ''hell'' is the realm of the dead.
    To say there is no more death is to say there is no more lake of fire, for the lake of fire is the second death.
    To say there is no more death is o say there is no more sin, for the wages of sin is death.


    What a universe of truth is contained in three little words: No More Death!
    More religious hot air and vanity.

    Rev.20:14:And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

    Rev.20:15:And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peach View Post
    More religious hot air and vanity.

    Rev.20:14:And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

    Rev.20:15:And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
    IT HAS ALREADY BEEN ANOINTED AND BEAUTIFULLY EXPLAINED but to the simple minded, its a problem
    sigh
    BTW
    ''sox puppets'' always have evil intentions, to ridicule the truth
    they are cheaters = banned people, using others who are under the hand of the devil
    making them rather evil.
    As God removes the veil that is spread over all nations, the people will be able to recognize truth when they see it.
    The spell of Babylonian witchcraft has weakened noticeably.
    All the years of spiritual warfare that we and others have done are now paying off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    IT HAS ALREADY BEEN EXPLAINED
    sigh
    BTW
    ''sox puppets'' always have evil intentions, to ridicule the truth
    they are cheaters = banned people, using others who are under the hand of the devil
    making them rather evil.
    Your the devil's sox puppet and always spreading lies and falsehoods about others which is satan's very characteristics, and you could not explain your way out of an onion sack.

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    HIS EKKLESIA is formed by His secret wisdom so they understand things

    pertaining to eternal life and eternal liberty

    The first thing God brought into being was wisdom.
    The Lord brought me [wisdom] forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;
    I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began.
    When there were no oceans, I [wisdom] was given birth,
    when there were no springs abounding with water;
    before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I [wisdom] was given birth, before He made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world. (Pro 8:22–6)
    very few people understand His divine wisdom, nor excel in its implications by putting them into daily practice~~~
    WISDOM IS A GIFT most fail to have,

    wisdom comes OUT FROM TJHE GOSPELS - JESUS OUR TREE OF ETERNAL life john 11 v. 24 25 26
    the tree of life
    She [wisdom] is a tree of life to those who embrace her; those who lay hold of her will be blessed. (Pro 3:18)
    Wisdom is a tree of life.
    The tree of life imparts eternal life to all who eat from it (Gen 3:22).
    Wisdom (God's plan of salvation) imparts eternal life to all who embrace it ( to seize it, to grasp it firmly) and lay hold of it (Hebrew hold it fast).

    SO this gift called WISDOM stops a born again Believer, acting like the plant ''peach'' -
    As God removes the veil that is spread over all nations, the people will be able to recognize truth when they see it.
    The spell of Babylonian witchcraft has weakened noticeably.
    All the years of spiritual warfare that we and others have done are now paying off.

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    divine purification is the wisdom of Abba,

    Charles Pridgeon edification

    On the subject of BRIMSTONE. He expounds:
    "The Lake of Fire and Brimstone signifies a fire burning with brimstone; the word 'brimstone' or sulphur defines the character of the fire.
    The Greek word THEION translated 'brimstone' is exactly the same word THEION which means 'divine.'
    Sulphur was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, and to cleanse and consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense.
    The verb derived from THEION is THEIOO, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god (See Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon, 1897 Edition).
    To any Greek, or any trained in the Greek language, a 'lake of fire and brimstone' would mean a 'lake of divine purification.'
    As God removes the veil that is spread over all nations, the people will be able to recognize truth when they see it.
    The spell of Babylonian witchcraft has weakened noticeably.
    All the years of spiritual warfare that we and others have done are now paying off.

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    the HOLY SPIRIT EXPOUNDING

    "The second death IS death and hell cast into the lake of fire."

    Therefore we have exactly the same meaning either way it is stated.
    What is the second death?
    It is the first death and hell cast into the lake of fire!

    "Our God is a consuming fire."

    This fact is extremely IMPORTANT.
    The second death is not merely the lake of fire.
    Nor is the second death men being tortured forever in the lake of fire.

    The Holy Spirit has made it very simple and plain.
    The second death is the first death and hell CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.
    That is the Holy Spirit's definition, not mine.


    Can we now open the eyes of our understanding to see that everything cast into the lake of fire pertains to DEATH?
    Death itself is cast into the lake of fire.
    Hell, the realm of the dead, is cast into the lake of fire.
    And those whose names are not written in the Book of Life, i.e. those who are dead, in trespasses and in sins, who inhabit hell, are cast into the lake of fire.
    That is the end of death and hell and sin and sinners, for God shall destroy the whole realm of death in the lake of fire.
    He shall burn up hell in the lake of fire,
    He shall destroy death in the lake of fire, and
    He shall consume sin in the lake of fire.

    The time is coming, praise His name! God's Kingdom shall rule over all and God Himself shall be All-in-all.
    There shall be neither sin, nor sinners, nor death, nor hell.

    It is clear that God does not destroy men in the lake of fire, nowhere does it say that, for that would be a contradiction of terms.
    How can you destroy death by creating death?
    How can you abolish death by bringing men under the power of eternal death from which there is no escape?
    Oh, no, it is not men who are destroyed in the lake of fire -- it is sin and death and hell that are destroyed. "


    . "And there shall be no more death: for the former things are passed away" (Rev. 21:4).
    Thus, the lake of fire is nothing more nor less than THE DEATH OF DEATH!
    As God removes the veil that is spread over all nations, the people will be able to recognize truth when they see it.
    The spell of Babylonian witchcraft has weakened noticeably.
    All the years of spiritual warfare that we and others have done are now paying off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    "The second death IS death and hell cast into the lake of fire."

    Therefore we have exactly the same meaning either way it is stated.
    What is the second death?
    It is the first death and hell cast into the lake of fire!

    "Our God is a consuming fire."

    This fact is extremely IMPORTANT.
    The second death is not merely the lake of fire.
    Nor is the second death men being tortured forever in the lake of fire.

    The Holy Spirit has made it very simple and plain.
    The second death is the first death and hell CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.
    That is the Holy Spirit's definition, not mine.


    Can we now open the eyes of our understanding to see that everything cast into the lake of fire pertains to DEATH?
    Death itself is cast into the lake of fire.
    Hell, the realm of the dead, is cast into the lake of fire.
    And those whose names are not written in the Book of Life, i.e. those who are dead, in trespasses and in sins, who inhabit hell, are cast into the lake of fire.
    That is the end of death and hell and sin and sinners, for God shall destroy the whole realm of death in the lake of fire.
    He shall burn up hell in the lake of fire,
    He shall destroy death in the lake of fire, and
    He shall consume sin in the lake of fire.

    The time is coming, praise His name! God's Kingdom shall rule over all and God Himself shall be All-in-all.
    There shall be neither sin, nor sinners, nor death, nor hell.

    It is clear that God does not destroy men in the lake of fire, nowhere does it say that, for that would be a contradiction of terms.
    How can you destroy death by creating death?
    How can you abolish death by bringing men under the power of eternal death from which there is no escape?
    Oh, no, it is not men who are destroyed in the lake of fire -- it is sin and death and hell that are destroyed. "




    Thus, the lake of fire is nothing more nor less than THE DEATH OF DEATH!
    The second death is the first death and hell CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.
    That is the Holy Spirit's definition, not mine.
    You sure can distort John's written words; and this is your spirit and there is nothing holy about you.

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    no ''peach plant'' it is how to holy spirit teaches

    and so
    as a ''sox puppet shill plant cheater'' why do you consider yourself ''holy'' dear?
    perhaps a good toss into the ''lake of fire'' will burn off your ''shill like, cheater'', impurities
    hmmm
    then we believers, can all cheer on the side lines of this lake, when you come out all free from your cheater /shill ways and set free from your sins of death that shall kill you.

    btw say ''HI'' to Elijah for me = prodding you in the background forcing you to make an ass of yourself
    As God removes the veil that is spread over all nations, the people will be able to recognize truth when they see it.
    The spell of Babylonian witchcraft has weakened noticeably.
    All the years of spiritual warfare that we and others have done are now paying off.

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    You can't even write English correctly

    let alone speak by the Spirit; and the lake of fire awaits those like you who make up lies and falsehoods about others which is the very character of the devil which you display on here.
    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    no ''peach plant'' it is how to holy spirit teaches and so
    as a ''sox puppet shill plant cheater'' why do you consider yourself ''holy'' dear?
    perhaps a good toss into the ''lake of fire'' will burn off your ''shill like, cheater'', impurities
    hmmm
    then we believers, can all cheer on the side lines of this lake, when you come out all free from your cheater /shill ways and set free from your sins of death that shall kill you.

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    this is so easily fixed dear Peach and u have my instant apology

    Quote Originally Posted by Peach View Post
    let alone speak by the Spirit; and the lake of fire awaits those like you who make up lies and falsehoods about others which is the very character of the devil which you display on here.
    answer the question i posed to you


    peach
    so do you know Elijah and his '''ministry'' as in relationship or fellowship or by marriage?
    do you share his views as a Judaizer yourself?
    are you his ''sox puppet''
    and are you also cheating yourself as you follow the same format as the banned Elijah almost word for word in posts and phrases u use.
    example of 2 words
    '' you lie''
    Are very famous words of his when cornered.
    ''you lie'' - is Elijah theme song
    - I see you use it too Peach and pull out the ''old you lie trick'' hmmm
    it falls on deaf ears once we have heard to so many times after trying to correct his personal un-correctable nature
    ''co-incidence''?
    perhaps

    like Elijahs famous tags ''you are a liar'' when cornered = you bear the same fruits.'
    nor have i made up any false hoods of others... as i dont know them 20,000miles away and i have only their self confessed testimony here in LA archives to refer too
    and
    i speak ENGLISH BEAUTIFULLY - so why do you bear a FALSE WITNESS?

    THE CHIEF PROBLEM IS
    WHEN AN EVIL SPIRIT IN A PERSON IS ''CORNERED'' THEY GET NARKY, AND THEN BLUSTER AND TRY TO ATTACK the messenger of the Truth.... just as you are now doing peach
    As God removes the veil that is spread over all nations, the people will be able to recognize truth when they see it.
    The spell of Babylonian witchcraft has weakened noticeably.
    All the years of spiritual warfare that we and others have done are now paying off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    answer the question i posed to you


    peach
    so do you know Elijah and his '''ministry'' as in relationship or fellowship or by marriage?
    do you share his views as a Judaizer yourself?
    are you his ''sox puppet''
    and are you also cheating yourself as you follow the same format as the banned Elijah almost word for word in posts and phrases u use.
    example of 2 words
    '' you lie''
    Are very famous words of his when cornered.
    ''you lie'' - is Elijah theme song
    - I see you use it too Peach and pull out the ''old you lie trick'' hmmm
    it falls on deaf ears once we have heard to so many times after trying to correct his personal un-correctable nature
    ''co-incidence''?
    perhaps

    like Elijahs famous tags ''you are a liar'' when cornered = you bear the same fruits.'
    No: This all can be fixed when you show me the posting that I defended Elijah in which statement you lied, and why did you not admit that you did lie?

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    HURRAH a true witness against you WINS

    Caught out shill peach~~~all shall see you as an evil cheater a stand in for a banned evil man.
    a cheat
    i spotted you from the beginning, amen

    a person who cheats is evil.
    people mostly loathe as they cannot be trusted.

    from now u join ''guyguy'' ON MY IGNORE Lists
    As God removes the veil that is spread over all nations, the people will be able to recognize truth when they see it.
    The spell of Babylonian witchcraft has weakened noticeably.
    All the years of spiritual warfare that we and others have done are now paying off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    Caught out shill peach~~~all shall see you as an evil cheater a stand in for a banned evil man.\
    a cheat
    i spotted you from the beginning, amen
    The devil's little firebrand has been proven a liar with only my 3rd posting on this forum; and she revels in her lying wickedness, is she delusional.

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