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    Exposing Anti-Christ's Own Mark Of 'contradicting' Upon Themselves.

    This is EliYah's quote of Spying :
    Messiah Yahushua did not offer up HIMSELF on HIS Cross.
    Hebrews 7:22-27
    By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament/covenant...But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
    For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he/Christ/ did once, when he offered up himself.
    The two quotes compared together:

    Scripture:
    for this he/Christ/ did once, when he offered up himself.
    Spying: :
    Messiah Yahushua did not offer up HIMSELF
    That is a clear contradiction of the two.

    The Apostle Peter wrote 2 Peter 2:1: But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying/G720/contradicting/ the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

    even denying/G720/contradicting/ the Lord that bought them

    The Apostle John wrote 1 John 2:23: Whosoever denieth/G720/contradicts/ the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth/G3670/agrees/assents/ the Son hath the Father also.

    Whosoever denieth/G720/contradicts/ the Son, the same hath not the Father

    G720 ἀρνέομαι arnéomai, ar-neh'-om-ahee; perhaps from G1 (as a negative particle) and the middle voice of G4483; to contradict, i.e. disavow, reject, abnegate:—deny, refuse.

    to contradict

    http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexic...ngs=G720&t=KJV

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    This is as Christ said about others 'contradicting' Him.

    This is EliYah's quote of John 10:15-18 of Christ's own words:
    As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

    Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

    No man taketh it (my life) from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
    No man taketh it (my life) from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down

    The Apostle Peter wrote 2 Peter 2:1: But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying/G720/contradicting/ the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

    even denying/G720/contradicting/ the Lord that bought them

    The Apostle John wrote 1 John 2:23: Whosoever denieth/G720/contradicts/ the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth/G3670/agrees/assents/ the Son hath the Father also.

    Whosoever denieth/G720/contradicts/ the Son, the same hath not the Father

    G720 ἀρνέομαι arnéomai, ar-neh'-om-ahee; perhaps from G1 (as a negative particle) and the middle voice of G4483; to contradict, i.e. disavow, reject, abnegate:—deny, refuse.

    to contradict

    http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexic...ngs=G720&t=KJV

    The Apostle John wrote 1 John 2:23: Whosoever denieth/G720/contradicts/ the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth/G3670/agrees/assents/ the Son hath the Father also.
    Christ said as Matthew wrote in Matthew 10:32-33 using the same Greek words G720 and G3670 that the Apostle John also used above:
    Whosoever therefore shall confess/acknowledgeth/G3670/agrees/ascents/ me before men, him will I confess/acknowledgeth/G3670/agrees/ascents/ also before my Father which is in heaven.

    But whosoever shall deny/G720/contradicts/ me before men, him will I also deny/G720/contradict/ before my Father which is in heaven.
    See G720 contradict here: http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexic...ngs=G720&t=KJV

    See G3670 1.to say the same thing as another, i.e. to agree with, assent acknowledgeth/agrees/ascents/ here: http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexic...gs=G3670&t=KJV

    Unless ye repent.

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    Thumbs up

    Guyguy,

    That was an astounding revelation above, I have to go.

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    Smile

    I do NOT put scriptures in QUOTES like this above, I always write them without QUOTES.

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    Ken and Spying,

    I will not accept contradicting anti-Messiah doctrines.

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    Telling you that YOU did slay and sacrifice Yeshua is NOT anti-Messiah!

    Quote Originally Posted by Eliyah View Post
    Ken and Spying,

    I will not accept contradicting anti-Messiah doctrines.
    Shalom Eliyahu, telling you that YOU, with the help of wicked men, did slay/kill YOUR offering, Messiah Yeshua, is not an anti-Messiah doctrine, it is the Truth. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

    P.S. When the Gospel FIRST went out at Pentecost, the message was that those with whom they were speaking to, that they did kill or murder the Holy One of Israel, and it was ALL according to the Plan of Elohim in bringing them OUT from all of their iniquities. They did not try to tell those who were there to believe in Elohim's plan that Yeshua took His own life and none of them took it from Him. Their message was that those sinners took Yeshua's life, as He willingly allowed them to do so, and this is the Gospel that Yeshua suffered, was KILLED, then buried, and raised on the third day, all according to the Scriptures. No where in the Scriptures does it state that the offering is to Sacrifice itself (that is an anti-Messiah doctrine), ONLY the sinner is to sacrifice the offering.
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah determines those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses. So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Shalom Eliyahu, telling you that YOU, with the help of wicked men, did slay/kill YOUR offering, Messiah Yeshua, is not an anti-Messiah doctrine, it is the Truth. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

    P.S. When the Gospel FIRST went out at Pentecost, the message was that those with whom they were speaking to, that they did kill or murder the Holy One of Israel, and it was ALL according to the Plan of Elohim in bringing them OUT from all of their iniquities. They did not try to tell those who were there to believe in Elohim's plan that Yeshua took His own life and none of them took it from Him. Their message was that those sinners took Yeshua's life, as He willingly allowed them to do so, and this is the Gospel that Yeshua suffered, was KILLED, then buried, and raised on the third day, all according to the Scriptures. No where in the Scriptures does it state that the offering is to Sacrifice itself (that is an anti-Messiah doctrine), ONLY the sinner is to sacrifice the offering.
    Ken,

    You and Spying preach your own gospel of men and for men, and it's all about you, me, and I, and not of Messiah, you also put yourselves in the substitute place of Messiah the High Priest and contradict His words and doctrines, exactly as the apostle John wrote of anti-Messiah's above.

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    Also Ken and Spying,

    Your teaching contrary to the scriptures, and contrary as to what the apostle Paul taught, you teach justification by the law, and not by Messiah.

    Please notice the word "contrary" used by the apostle Paul below.

    Paul wrote: Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified....

    Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,

    I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain/for nothing. Galatians 2:16, 21.

    For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. Galatians 5:4-5.

    Also: For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

    Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets
    , and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15.

    even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets.

    Here was Paul's opportunity to tell us that, we with the help of wicked men did slay the Lord Jesus, as you say, but he did not.

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    Someday...

    Quote Originally Posted by Eliyah View Post
    Also Ken and Spying,

    Your teaching contrary to the scriptures, and contrary as to what the apostle Paul taught, you teach justification by the law, and not by Messiah.

    Please notice the word "contrary" used by the apostle Paul below.

    Paul wrote: Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified....

    Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,

    I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain/for nothing. Galatians 2:16, 21.

    For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. Galatians 5:4-5.

    Also: For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

    Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets
    , and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15.

    even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets.

    Here was Paul's opportunity to tell us that, we with the help of wicked men did slay the Lord Jesus, as you say, but he did not.
    Shalom Eliyahu, someday you will really be embarrassed because of your stubborness and stiff-neck in not believing in the Spiritual Fulfillment of the Law. Your justification comes from Spiritually FULFILLING what the Law required of you, and it is not through WORKS of the Law (the physical fulfillment), but rather according to what the Spirit veiled in the Law. It takes having your MIND opened to understand this Spiritual Fulfillment, and I am starting to feel like the Apostle Paul, in that it appears you will not be persuaded concerning Yeshua from the Law of Moses, and from the Prophets (Acts 28:23-29). Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah determines those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses. So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Shalom Eliyahu, someday you will really be embarrassed because of your stubborness and stiff-neck in not believing in the Spiritual Fulfillment of the Law. Your justification comes from Spiritually FULFILLING what the Law required of you, and it is not through WORKS of the Law (the physical fulfillment), but rather according to what the Spirit veiled in the Law. It takes having your MIND opened to understand this Spiritual Fulfillment, and I am starting to feel like the Apostle Paul, in that it appears you will not be persuaded concerning Yeshua from the Law of Moses, and from the Prophets (Acts 28:23-29). Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Ken,

    I'm not embarrassed of the truth of scriptures as it is written, and your stubborness and stiff-neck in not believing them is a shame.

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    Eliyahu, TURNING the Grace of Elohim into a license to sin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eliyah View Post
    Ken,

    I'm not embarrassed of the truth of scriptures as it is written, and your stubborness and stiff-neck in not believing them is a shame.
    Shalom Eliyahu, for the last 2000 years everyone has debated on their "interpretation" of what is WRITTEN in the Scriptures, and that is WHY there are over 40,000 sects or varieties of christianity. Back when it was happening, godless men secretly slipped in amoungst the believers and distorted and TURNED the Grace of Elohim into what you and those 40,000 sects believe, and you don't even realize it. Spying and I have exposed that deception about the traditional view of Grace, and have brought back into VIEW, the True and Correct understanding of Elohim's Grace. When and IF you ever have your mind "opened" to grasp that your sin is what killed or Sacrificed Yeshua, and THAT act fulfills what the Law REQUIRED for YOU to do as a sinner, which in turn BECOMES righteousness (a DOING of the Law) that Elohim gives to ALL as a Free Gift (Grace), THEN you might be a little embarrassed of the Truth of the Scriptures as they are meant to be understood. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah determines those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses. So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Shalom Eliyahu, for the last 2000 years everyone has debated on their "interpretation" of what is WRITTEN in the Scriptures, and that is WHY there are over 40,000 sects or varieties of christianity. Back when it was happening, godless men secretly slipped in amoungst the believers and distorted and TURNED the Grace of Elohim into what you and those 40,000 sects believe, and you don't even realize it. Spying and I have exposed that deception about the traditional view of Grace, and have brought back into VIEW, the True and Correct understanding of Elohim's Grace. When and IF you ever have your mind "opened" to grasp that your sin is what killed or Sacrificed Yeshua, and THAT act fulfills what the Law REQUIRED for YOU to do as a sinner, which in turn BECOMES righteousness (a DOING of the Law) that Elohim gives to ALL as a Free Gift (Grace), THEN you might be a little embarrassed of the Truth of the Scriptures as they are meant to be understood. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Ken,

    So I have to believe as you do in breaking the commandment that says, Thou shalt not kill/murder. both literally and spiritually of an Innocent sinless man Yeshua Messiah, and that is fulfilling the law, and in return Elohim will give me the free gift of grace and righteousness.

    And Ken, which ONE of YOU, you or Spying that came up with this idea above, will you tell us, and I certainly did not know that premeditated murder was fulfilling righteousness and the law as you and Spying believe?

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    Eliyahu, you remind me of those who challenged Paul about Grace.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eliyah View Post
    Ken,

    So I have to believe as you do in breaking the commandment that says, Thou shalt not kill/murder. both literally and spiritually of an Innocent sinless man Yeshua Messiah, and that is fulfilling the law, and in return Elohim will give me the free gift of grace and righteousness.

    And Ken, which ONE of YOU, you or Spying that came up with this idea above, will you tell us, and I certainly did not know that premeditated murder was fulfilling righteousness and the law as you and Spying believe?
    Shalom Eliyahu, you remind me of those who falsely accused and challenged Paul's teaching on Grace, and slanderously declared that Paul was teaching they should do evil to receive good:

    Rom 3:8 And not [rather], (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

    Eliyahu, do you see the similarity of how you are falsely accusing me, in the same way they falsely accused Paul? Break the commandment...that good may come (free gift of righteousness). You are falling right in line with them Eliyahu, and you don't even realize it. But it is a little refreshing that it appears you are at least trying to understand Grace, as it should be understood. All have sinned and fallen short, therefore ALL, by faith can accept the FREE Gift of Righteousness that comes to us from Elohim:

    Rom 3:21 - 3:24

    21 But now the righteousness of Elohim without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; (It's not by WORKS of the Law, but it is WITNESSED by the Law)
    22 Even the righteousness of Elohim [which is] by faith of Messiah Yeshua unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: (You receive this righteousness BY faith IN Messiah)
    23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of Elohim; (And everyone is a sinner, and those who desire this RIGHTEOUSNESS had to be a sinner...that's how it works Gal 2:17)
    24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Messiah Yeshua: (This righteousness/justification is freely given to us as a result of many transgressions-Rom 5:16)

    You see Eliyahu, Paul clearly states that the hearers of the Law are not justified or made righteous, but the DOERS of the Law are the ones who are justified or made righteous (Rom 2:13). The righteousness that is given to us by Grace is separate from doing the Law in a traditional fashion (by works or physically keeping it), but rather this DOING of the Law is according to the Law's Spiritual Fulfillment, and this is HOW the Law witnesses to this righteousness..Spiritually-Yeshua is YOUR sacrifice.

    You stated something above that needs to be corrected. It is not Elohim giving us something in RETURN for Sacrificing Yeshua. Our sacrificing of Yeshua IS A DOING of what the Law required of sinners to do. The righteousness/commandment of the Law says that WHEN you sin, you are to sacrifice for your sin, and IF you acknowledge and believe in FAITH that YOU, with the help of wicked men did slay YOUR offering, then that is righteousness for you, not by works of the Law, but by faith in Yeshua as YOUR offering, the Spiritual DOING of the Law. Do you see the difference from how you put it? You are not getting something in RETURN, but rather you are ACTUALLY DOING Spiritually, what the Law required of you, and that IS righteousness for you if you by faith believe. Well if you can't, I guess you just go ahead and keep following in the footsteps of those who slandered Paul. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

    P.S. Spying was FIRST to SEE into the Spiritual side of the Law when it was OPENED to him about Yeshua being the Red Heifer. The ritual of the Red Heifer is the FOUNDATION of the Torah, and all of what we believe was built upon that Spiritual Side of the Law, which Grace is a fundamental teaching that arises from that Spiritual understanding (the Law witnesses to it).
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah determines those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses. So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Shalom Eliyahu, you remind me of those who falsely accused and challenged Paul's teaching on Grace, and slanderously declared that Paul was teaching they should do evil to receive good:

    Rom 3:8 And not [rather], (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

    Eliyahu, do you see the similarity of how you are falsely accusing me, in the same way they falsely accused Paul? Break the commandment...that good may come (free gift of righteousness). You are falling right in line with them Eliyahu, and you don't even realize it. But it is a little refreshing that it appears you are at least trying to understand Grace, as it should be understood. All have sinned and fallen short, therefore ALL, by faith can accept the FREE Gift of Righteousness that comes to us from Elohim:

    Rom 3:21 - 3:24

    21 But now the righteousness of Elohim without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;[/COLOR] (It's not by WORKS of the Law, but it is WITNESSED by the Law)
    22 Even the righteousness of Elohim [which is] by faith of Messiah Yeshua unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: (You receive this righteousness BY faith IN Messiah)
    23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of Elohim; (And everyone is a sinner, and those who desire this RIGHTEOUSNESS had to be a sinner...that's how it works Gal 2:17)
    24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Messiah Yeshua: (This righteousness/justification is freely given to us as a result of many transgressions-Rom 5:16)

    You see Eliyahu, Paul clearly states that the hearers of the Law are not justified or made righteous, but the DOERS of the Law are the ones who are justified or made righteous (Rom 2:13). The righteousness that is given to us by Grace is separate from doing the Law in a traditional fashion (by works or physically keeping it), but rather this DOING of the Law is according to the Law's Spiritual Fulfillment, and this is HOW the Law witnesses to this righteousness..Spiritually-Yeshua is YOUR sacrifice.

    You stated something above that needs to be corrected. It is not Elohim giving us something in RETURN for Sacrificing Yeshua. Our sacrificing of Yeshua IS A DOING of what the Law required of sinners to do. The righteousness/commandment of the Law says that WHEN you sin, you are to sacrifice for your sin, and IF you acknowledge and believe in FAITH that YOU, with the help of wicked men did slay YOUR offering, then that is righteousness for you, not by works of the Law, but by faith in Yeshua as YOUR offering, the Spiritual DOING of the Law. Do you see the difference from how you put it? You are not getting something in RETURN, but rather you are ACTUALLY DOING Spiritually, what the Law required of you, and that IS righteousness for you if you by faith believe. Well if you can't, I guess you just go ahead and keep following in the footsteps of those who slandered Paul. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

    P.S. Spying was FIRST to SEE into the Spiritual side of the Law when it was OPENED to him about Yeshua being the Red Heifer. The ritual of the Red Heifer is the FOUNDATION of the Torah, and all of what we believe was built upon that Spiritual Side of the Law, which Grace is a fundamental teaching that arises from that Spiritual understanding (the Law witnesses to it).
    Well Ken,

    The apostle Paul does not teach us to break the commandment thou shalt not kill/murder, and Spying's own teachings has exposed and accuse him itself, and you merely go along with it and try to defend his error.

    Rom 3:21 - 3:24

    21 But now the righteousness of Elohim without the law is manifested,

    And you should have noticed this above in red underlined written by Paul, but I guess your blind eye missed it.

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    It was the Father's will.

    Ken,

    P.S. Spying was FIRST to SEE into the Spiritual side of the Law when it was OPENED to him about Yeshua being the Red Heifer. The ritual of the Red Heifer is the FOUNDATION of the Torah, and all of what we believe was built upon that Spiritual Side of the Law, which Grace is a fundamental teaching that arises from that Spiritual understanding (the Law witnesses to it).
    And old buddy, Judaism is anti-Messiah.

    Messiah Himself said:

    Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. John 10:17-18.

    This commandment have I received of my Father.

    When Messiah prayed:

    And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

    He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
    Matthew 26:39-42.

    Peter said: But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he/God hath so fulfilled. Acts 3:18.

    This is WHY I asked you and Spying this question before, but you and Him refused to answer it.

    Why do you and Spying want to take a Power and command that is His given to Messiah by YAH the Father, and give it to men?

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