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    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    The law of Moses.
    The law under the Kenites interpretation - written by their scribes that also confessed to lying
    The Law by Jesus interpretation.= who changed it 6 times and didn't always obey the sabbath saturday or sunday or luna monday,

    3 ways of confused thinking.
    Its not dualism but tri-ism [ opps i made that word up TRI-ISM]
    Where ever there is confusion there is EVIL present

    Let the FRUITS of those laws speak for themselves as they ruled over millions of wanderers in the wilderness
    = Cain was also termed a wanderer.

    now the fruits
    *who was saved from them in spirit soul and body,
    *why were they eliminated in 70ad
    *why were they termed weak and useless AND NOTICE THIS WORD I.M.P.E.R.F.E.C.T
    JUST as the devil is imperfect & cannot save anyone then rendered useless at the Cross by the sacrifice of Messiah.

    Researching the offspring of Cain the Hu-man son of the serpent, contains the leadership called '' wickedness in High places'' the fruits of which were all very cunning, controlling, and filled with laws that need to be OBEYED or else.

    This fruit is shown today, as rulers of all systems in power, create 1000s of LAWS AS ''OUR LAWMAKERS''
    laws laws laws laws
    INFACT so many made, that no one even knows just how many rules they made up.

    - it would be interesting to see HOW MANY LAWS govern us in the all the Matrix systems.
    So ~~~ world wide there would be millions of cain-ite LAWS of control and obey.

    Do you like living under the controllers called '' wickedness in High places'' - well i guess most people dont know the difference as THE MATRIX IS ALL CONSUMING controller and everyone plays their part in this system.
    slaves to a system - aka - slaves to the serpent. - because that is what it is MESSIAH SAID SO

    YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT ImHebrew if you wish to be a slave to Moses, a slave to the Kenite laws a slave to a phony church Jesus
    .... or.....
    IF YOU WANT THE REAL THING - NO LONGER A SLAVE BUT AN eternal FRIEND
    John 11 v 24 25 26 - that will remove those scales from your eyes SO YOU CAN SEE THE GLORY LAND
    Lucy,

    Jesus surely did keep the law of Yah, He did NOT break the Sabbath as it is prescribed in the Torah, He only broke the added Elder's or Scribes traditional laws, and that show how little ye even know the scriptures.
    A bit of revelation for ye.

    Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

    Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. John 8:19.

    By His name YAH Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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    the changing scriptures a law one day but not the next, the OT gods of changes...

    The kenites doing a great work to that imperfect law of Moses, as a serpent who changes the rules and moves the goal posts.
    I guess the object is to create more imperfections.
    WELL ofcourse as the whole sheebang was termed USELESS.

    IF WE LOOK AT ALL CREATION - what did Jesus Father create that was termed IMPERFECT?
    WHAT did Jesus touch or DO to anyone that was termed IMPERFECT?

    INFACT JESUS turned human imperfections to perfection as He healed and RAISE THE DEAD BACK TO LIFE and satisfied the large crowds that gathered to Hear HIM speak not on the law of Moses BUT ON *** HIS *** KINGDOM and the making of a NEW creation

    John 1 v 1 - tells of HOW THE WORD [JESUS] CREATED ALL THE VISIBLE UNIVERSES
    now
    He had arrived here on planet Earth TO CREATE again by the POWER OF HIS WORD.
    what?
    A NEW WAY
    A NEW LIFE FORCE
    A NEW POWER
    A NEW ORDER
    called His new creature for His new creation

    whatever time THE WORD created the 1ST universe - IN 30AD it was now TIME to create A NEW CREATION so that none of the OLD would remain.

    amen
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Jesus always met the enemy head-on giving no quarter.
    Oh~You can be sure the contradictions in the Bible didn't get there by accident.
    ''Project Chaos'' didn't start in 2019 in the fake news media-It began at the beginning
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unn1TX6y6hk

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    if satan and his seed [ as the offspring of cain ] invaded the 1st creation

    would you?

    * worship it,
    * deny it
    * work with it again
    or
    * create anew?

    Would you use the old former BASE that is invaded by evil,
    or
    WOULD YOU REMOVE that base and begin again under a new banner?.
    or
    WOULD YOU USE an imperfect base, THEN build on top of it, knowing that the imperfections would again resurface?
    or
    WOULD YOU RETAIN the old dying priesthood,
    or
    WOULD YOU CREATE a new priesthood that never die.
    or
    WOULD YOU again allow this curse to manifest in the NEW CREATION?
    or
    WOULD IT BE the removal FROM the *2 seed system* now in place?

    hmmmm
    ARE YOU THINKING outside the *CULTure* of the corrupted religious matrix systems - the pimps in the pulpits?

    COULD THIS BE the message of renewal, found in the OLD WINE and the NEW WINE parable?
    COULD IT BE the message of the wheat and the tares?
    COULD IT BE the goodnews and the divine GOOD WILL to all men?

    Wouldn't the whole evil invaded creation, be fully removed, so a new divine work of creating anew could start?
    SOMETHING to rethink outside your religious squares.

    It may help you to DISCONNECT FROM the advice given to you by the offspring of satan - aka - those who inhabit the position of ''wickedness in high places''

    Should you be confused on '' WHO IS WHO'' and ''what is happening in this world'' you will find it easy as Jesus set the record straight
    how?
    Jesus highlighted their fruits and behaviour - so you will be ''able to spot the Cain Hu-mans'' and the fruits they bear.


    ''Woe unto you Pharisees! for ye love the chief seats in the synagogues, and the salutations in the marketplaces.
    Alas for you Pharisees! for you love the best seats in the synagogues, and you like to be bowed to in places of public resort.
    Woe to you, Pharisees, because you love the uppermost seats in the synagogues, and salutations in the marketplace.
    "How horrible it will be for you Pharisees! You love to sit in the front seats in the synagogues and to be greeted in the marketplaces.''
    The world is ruled over by evil people, who sit in the best seats, and people admire them and bow down to their opinions laws and governing
    Each system in this world has '' the lords, who rule over us'' as their SHEEPLE.

    ------------------------------------------------------------

    As for the OLD CREATION we find from seeking truth, that the KENITES aka the tribe of Cain, as the son of the serpent, were scribes, who reinvented the laws on their terms.
    Something to think about when ye read the O.T. with the ''DARE I SAY'' .......... hmmmmm........ ''serpent touch''........



    Under the Old Covenant, [ THE SERPENT'S TOUCH] men were required to worship in temples made of wood and stone located in specific “holy places.”
    But under the New Covenant, of which Jesus was the Mediator, the glory and presence of ABBA was to reside in temples made of living stones (1 Peter 2:5)

    Are you a LIVING STONE - or as Jesus said of those under the law of Moses ''THE DEAD who bury THE DEAD''.

    WITH Jesus words [above] in mind i ask this question
    DO YOU THINK, THE O.T. is an ''''insult, to all human consciousness''''', by being filled with all manner of serpentine depravities.
    Last edited by LucySmith; 10-22-2019 at 07:02 PM.
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Jesus always met the enemy head-on giving no quarter.
    Oh~You can be sure the contradictions in the Bible didn't get there by accident.
    ''Project Chaos'' didn't start in 2019 in the fake news media-It began at the beginning
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unn1TX6y6hk

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    His OVERCOMER -- and their HIDDEN MANNA.

    Jesus called that man who was under the Law of Moses and its ''serpentine'' interpretations ~~~ THE DEAD.
    Let us never be deceived to thinking otherwise.
    why?
    613 laws of Moses were termed useless - equals- THE DEAD who try so hard to keep them.
    THEIR CONDITION is classed as T.E.R.M.I.N.A.L.
    sigh


    truth out
    Because most pew people are ignorant THEY NEVER REALIZE THEIR PLIGHT
    WHAT?
    = the devil is taking advantage of their ignorance, thus gaining a legal foothold that grants him the right to ensnare them into debilitating circumstances of
    poverty,
    sickness
    defeat.

    the pews are TRAPPED AS A CAPTIVE to 613 laws they cannot keep.- the dead.
    The CHURCH Christians are allowing Satan to dominate their lives and wreak havoc in their families while they are busy crying to THEIR God “Oh, God, help!.
    But enough of the devils handy work that causes so much misery from Lack of Knowledge.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------HIDDEN manna---------------------------------------------------
    THE laws of divine life aka - to walk into the deeper realities of christ’s resurrection power.
    aka - Life in the spiritual laws that govern the spirit realm or how to operate in the realm of the miraculous referred to in John 10 v 10.
    Spiritual laws and principles are therefore vital keys that unlock the doors into the supernatural

    The 1st law of the Spirit of Life is The Law of Impartation
    I love this word IMPARTATION because it is such a special word and special experience of co-joining as John 10 v 10. comes to pass.
    It is the word that births out the Saviour's new life in His Ekklesia
    in what form does it take?
    The anointing is an impartation.
    Revelation is an impartation. [hidden manna]
    Other spiritual substances like faith love joy peace life and wisdom, is the power from Father, that flows through His impartation.

    The 2nd law of the Spirit of Life is The Law of Release
    - The law that will release His people from the curse of sin and death - aka - the law of Moses and its rituals of religious carnality that fails to work.
    - The anointed power, to awaken to the trap of ALL religious slavery foisted upon us all from those ''angels of light''
    - This law awakens us to the divine consciousness [mind] of Messiah by allowing His thinking to flow through us [ THE OVERCOMER ] as hidden manna.
    - RECEIVING His revelation that breaks new ground by declaring what the Father is saying and doing at this moment in time.
    - This causes the Heavens to loose what ABBA has authorised for the earth.

    The 3rd law of the Spirit of Life is The Law of Response
    This law gives a practical guide for the 2019 ad lifestyles in the world today and how to respond to all situations that affect our lives.
    The overcomer must be in a position to respond accordingly when they sense evil trying very hard to appear as a goodness..
    [ ie....vaccinations is one such evil - trying hard to be a goodness, yet hiding an evil agenda.]

    The 4th law of the Spirit of Life is the Law of Expectations.
    now this one works as Messiah tells His people continually '' to EXPECT THE BEST'' amen

    The 5th law of Life in the Spirit isThe Law of Influence
    - a law on how to ''spill over'' onto others the divine flow of blessing.
    or
    THE OUT FLOWING of divine blessing to others~~~ provided out from all those abundance of blessings given to the Saints

    The 6th law of life in the Spirit is The Law of Association
    - The association of LIFE NOW believers is a mighty wholesome blessing and a wonder.
    - The WONDER OF A NEW CREATURE UNDER THE NEW COVENANT being divinely worked on as A NEW LIFE FORM on earth not seen before.[ only IN Messiah]
    Once Messiah has invited His friends to His table and shown them the true Good news as a revealing of ETERNAL life here and now, [john 11 v 24 25 26]
    it Opens up the WAY into His Kingdom and all its eternal blessing and benefits. AMEN
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Jesus always met the enemy head-on giving no quarter.
    Oh~You can be sure the contradictions in the Bible didn't get there by accident.
    ''Project Chaos'' didn't start in 2019 in the fake news media-It began at the beginning
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unn1TX6y6hk

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    hmmm one could write '' THE UNAUTHORISED VERSION of the O.T.''

    written By
    ''the various interpretations of the lying scribes of the Hu-man SONS OF CAIN aka the serpent seed''.
    The Unauthorised Version of the O.T. - black leather cover with fine gold print
    [ now that is a classic]

    BUT could it be true? that is the Question.

    to keep it simple
    The Law and Test of Truth

    "At the base of all human knowledge and judgment there are three simple rules known as the "three primary laws of thought."
    "Of two contradictories, one must be false."

    If one person says of an object: "It is white," and another says: "It is black," one or the other statement must of necessity be false.

    Of course both may be false, as the object may be red but in any event, one or the other statement must be false, for it cannot be both.
    This is a fundamental law of thought or correct judgment of truth.

    The other principle is a rule of law.
    Every judge declares it to his juries as the law of every jury case on trial, for this ancient maxim is the law in every court today.

    As a Latin maxim it is: "Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus"- that is, "false in one thing, false in all things."

    The maxim means, as the court always explains to the jury, merely that if the jury believes that a witness "knowingly or wilfully has testified falsely as to any material fact" in his testimony, they are at liberty to disbelieve him entirely and to reject all of his testimony as false. "

    "If we find that the "Word of God" tells the same story in contradictory ways, or that one inspired writer is "moved by the Holy Ghost" to tell his tale one way, and another inspired writer is moved to tell it in another way, we are forced to confess that one or the other record in God's inspiration of truth is inevitably false.

    This being so, and there being no possible way of determining which version is the false and which may not be,
    therefore both must be rejected as equally false, or equally uninspired and incredible;
    The theory of '' inerrant inspiration'' as the revealed truth of the "Word of God" is now destroyed."
    From: Is It God's Word? By Joseph Wheless


    alas
    we know there are so many contradictions and absurdities from the O.T. Bible
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Jesus always met the enemy head-on giving no quarter.
    Oh~You can be sure the contradictions in the Bible didn't get there by accident.
    ''Project Chaos'' didn't start in 2019 in the fake news media-It began at the beginning
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unn1TX6y6hk

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    True or false O.T. interpretations by the ''serpent seed scribes'' the Kenites

    the lying scribes [Jer 8 v 8] the Kenites as ''seeds of the serpent''
    It only takes one contradiction or absurdity in the Bible to prove that it is not inerrant

    What manner of a deity desires fear as proof of one's faith?
    Certainly not Jesus Father
    To fear God is to not love God;
    fear and love oppose one another, for one does not love what they fear.
    1 John 4:18 even admits this truth.

    Burnt Offerings and Bloody Sacrifices would the lying scribes write this in.....???
    bloody sacrifices to appease their fearsome wrathful god?
    A lie is a lie and dung is dung! by believing that God was once appeased by the same bloody mess
    By Revealing the duality of the Bible it serves neither God nor truth to try and rationalize irrational things the Bible has said of the true Father God.

    the greatest deception and a very cunning work comes from FLAWED text books
    the major fruit that has impacted this world from the unholy bible is the evil mentality of an ''eye for an eye'' and how this indoctrination still persists today, even after the Messiah said ''''NO way.''' Hosea
    Last edited by LucySmith; 10-23-2019 at 05:17 PM.
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Jesus always met the enemy head-on giving no quarter.
    Oh~You can be sure the contradictions in the Bible didn't get there by accident.
    ''Project Chaos'' didn't start in 2019 in the fake news media-It began at the beginning
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unn1TX6y6hk

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    is there a solution?

    yes
    But it is not one most religious people like.
    THEY WILL FIGHT TO STAY PLUGGED into the system


    Like Messiah His Church has to give up all their preconceived ideas and all past indoctrinations that LACK TRUE KNOWLEDGE.
    THAT IS ESSENTIAL otherwise don't expect to EXPECT THE BEST that is divinely offered found in the revealing of John 10 v 10.
    Then you have to learn how to fruit inspection the characters.
    Again you have to discern the bible dualism [ = two meanings for the same problem]
    Next you have to ''HEAR'' how to walk by the faith as the Son of Man - this is to jump over that terrible chasm of your unbelief.
    unbelief - death.




    Be warned most people cannot do this as the Matrix is far to strong and after all ''seeing is believing'' and the 5 senses rule.
    Jesus has to be your shepherd and no other.
    It's HIS WAY or THE HIGHWAY - THAT is His conditions of ENTRY into His kingdom.

    Ladder_Divine_Ascent.jpg


    BTW
    Nothing [ O.T. dogma ritual belief works] from the O.T. has to be brought into the new covenant KINGDOM OF GOD.
    No amount of O.T. ''spiritual fantasy'' will allow you to enter into His presence.
    why not?
    - HE IS NOT THERE - HIS NEW PRIESTHOOD ORDER IS MELCHEDEZEK not levy
    THAT all died in 3 stages # 1 - the preaching of John the B, # 2 at the cross '' it is finished '' #3 the final collapse in 70ad

    IT IS 2 DIFFERENT systems and the KINGDOM IS HIS NEW creation.
    to be made NEW under His workmanship is to freely give up all your old ideas - however this is impossible UNLESS Messiah puts His thinking into your mindset
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Jesus always met the enemy head-on giving no quarter.
    Oh~You can be sure the contradictions in the Bible didn't get there by accident.
    ''Project Chaos'' didn't start in 2019 in the fake news media-It began at the beginning
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unn1TX6y6hk

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    Thumbs up The New Moon Is Not A Dark Moon!

    Hi EliYah,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    Thank you for this your reply in your post #1163 on page 78 of this thread:

    "Spying, I know Yah Messiah created the Sabbath, but He also created the moon, and appointed the moon for His appointments, including the weekly Sabbath as His first appointed time Leviticus 23:1-4; Psalms 104:19.

    And the re-creation week began on a dark moon, and the sun and moon were only appointed on day 4 to function, but they were created before day 4, and the first re-creation day was a new moon day.

    And Spying, and NO the word "Saturday" is NOT found in the scriptures at all, and that is an answer to this part of this question, but ye did not answer and tell us this part of the question.

    and tell us how and from what do ye determine your Satyrday sabbath every lunar month? Yes, or No?

    And ye NEVER answered this question below either.

    Since you THINK that the Jews are correct in keeping a Satyrday Sabbath, then WHY are you and Spying not also keeping and observing their new moons, and feast days along with their postponement rules too?
    "

    Please notice, EliYah, that these your words:

    "And the re-creation week began on a dark moon, and the sun and moon were only appointed on day 4 to function, but they were created before day 4, and the first re-creation day was a new moon day."

    Are purely extra biblical! You are not following in your comments what is written. No where does the written text say what you have just created in your own mind. If not, then show me where the written text states that the re-creation week began on a dark moon! And pray tell, please show me where the written text states that the first re-creation day was a new moon day? How can a new moon day be a dark moon day in your imagination? Indeed, where are you getting your information or from whom are you getting your information about the nature of a New Moon?

    As time progresses, I will attempt to answer all of your above questions with a few questions which I do not insist that you do answer. You are free to answer or not answer on this forum as, I am,
    Sincerely, Latuwr
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    Thumbs up The Sun And The Moon Were Created When The Earth Was Created!

    Hi EliYah,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    You wrote in reply to me in your post #1181 on page 79 of this thread that I myself did not understand the difference between created and made:

    "Ye don't understand the difference between the word CREATED and the word MADE."

    I clearly understand according to the word that ELOHIM did create the Heaven and the Earth. As it is written:

    Genesis 1:1
    1 In the beginning ELOHIM created the heaven and the earth.

    According to the above scripture, the Earth was created in the Beginning. Can we venture a guess that the Sun and the Moon being a part of the expanse of the Heaven were also created in the Beginning? Absolutely! Why then would you accuse me of believing or teaching that the Sun and the Moon were created on the 4th Day of the renewal of the Earth? Who told you that this was my teaching?

    Thanking you in advance should you be moved to give answer, I am,
    Sincerely, Latuwr
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    That's what I said was that the sun and moon were created in the beginning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spying View Post
    Hi EliYah,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    You wrote in reply to me in your post #1181 on page 79 of this thread that I myself did not understand the difference between created and made:

    "Ye don't understand the difference between the word CREATED and the word MADE."

    I clearly understand according to the word that ELOHIM did create the Heaven and the Earth. As it is written:

    Genesis 1:1
    1 In the beginning ELOHIM created the heaven and the earth.

    According to the above scripture, the Earth was created in the Beginning. Can we venture a guess that the Sun and the Moon being a part of the expanse of the Heaven were also created in the Beginning? Absolutely! Why then would you accuse me of believing or teaching that the Sun and the Moon were created on the 4th Day of the renewal of the Earth? Who told you that this was my teaching?

    Thanking you in advance should you be moved to give answer, I am,
    Sincerely, Latuwr
    Spying,

    Then WHY did ye write this:
    This is not true of the recreation or renewal week. The Sun and the Moon were not set in the expanse of the space around the Earth until the 4th Day. Accordingly, the source of the light of the first three Days of the renewal week is something other than the Sun and the Moon.
    The sun and moon were CREATED in the heavens in the beginning, and NOT set in the expanse on the 4th day, they were merely appointed for their functions on the 4th day.
    A bit of revelation for ye.

    Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

    Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. John 8:19.

    By His name YAH Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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    it is very sad to see

    '''religious gnatting''' over a phony deception
    - but what is even worse is....

    - '''religious gnatters'''' are not worthy to see the truth so they continually believe the lie.
    BE -LIE-EVE.
    EVE is in the Lie

    what lie?
    the lie of seduction.
    how are they tricked?
    the Cain-ites, [as those lying scribes Jer 8 v 8] produced the LIES OF BONDAGE.

    when you partake [ from ignorance] a system of bondage you remain ''BOUND TILL DEATH DO YE PART''
    THE WHOLE SYSTEM WAS DECLARED USELESS.

    SO WHY WAS IT USELESS?
    Because the Cainites as Hu-man offspring of the serpent interpreted THE O.T. their way - as a ''fruit of the field offering'' the same as their father Cain did.
    NO ONE WHO REMAINS A GNAT STRAINER inherits imperishable LIFE here

    '''gnat strainers''' are not welcome in the divine Kingdom.
    THERE IS A HUGE SIGN ON THE PEARLY GATE saying ''NO GNATERS ALLOW in - return to sender ''
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Jesus always met the enemy head-on giving no quarter.
    Oh~You can be sure the contradictions in the Bible didn't get there by accident.
    ''Project Chaos'' didn't start in 2019 in the fake news media-It began at the beginning
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unn1TX6y6hk

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    Thumbs up The Sun, The Moon, And The Earth!

    Hi EliYah,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    You replied to these my questions quoted below:

    "According to the above scripture, the Earth was created in the Beginning. Can we venture a guess that the Sun and the Moon being a part of the expanse of the Heaven were also created in the Beginning? Absolutely! Why then would you accuse me of believing or teaching that the Sun and the Moon were created on the 4th Day of the renewal of the Earth? Who told you that this was my teaching?"

    With this major assumption on your part contained in your statement below:

    "The sun and moon were CREATED in the heavens in the beginning, and NOT set in the expanse on the 4th day, they were merely appointed for their functions on the 4th day."

    Genesis 1:17 makes this claim concerning the Sun and the Moon in relation to the Earth:

    Genesis 1:17
    17 And ELOHIM set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

    Why would you so boldly deny what the Scripture above plainly does say? I will tell you why! It has not even entered your thinking that the physical Sun and the physical Moon and the physical Earth were not originally created together in relation to each other as we see them today. How do you know that ELOHIM on the 4th Day did not move them from another location in Heaven and set them in the firmament of the heaven in exactly in the same relationship with the Earth as we do see them today?

    I will tell you why! Such thinking completely destroys your false lunar sabbath beliefs.

    The physical Sun and the physical Moon have a number of duties, but they do not establish the recreation WEEK, and, therefore, they have no authority over the 7th Day of that WEEK which My Messiah made for the Man, that is, HIMSELF. These things YAHWEH ELOHIM reserved for HIMSELF which unfortunately you are unable to see and understand.

    Hoping that you learn to read and chew the cud, I am,
    Sincerely, Latuwr
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    I'm NOT denying scriptures Spying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spying View Post
    Hi EliYah,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    You replied to these my questions quoted below:

    "According to the above scripture, the Earth was created in the Beginning. Can we venture a guess that the Sun and the Moon being a part of the expanse of the Heaven were also created in the Beginning? Absolutely! Why then would you accuse me of believing or teaching that the Sun and the Moon were created on the 4th Day of the renewal of the Earth? Who told you that this was my teaching?"

    With this major assumption on your part contained in your statement below:

    "The sun and moon were CREATED in the heavens in the beginning, and NOT set in the expanse on the 4th day, they were merely appointed for their functions on the 4th day."

    Genesis 1:17 makes this claim concerning the Sun and the Moon in relation to the Earth:

    Genesis 1:17
    17 And ELOHIM set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

    Why would you so boldly deny what the Scripture above plainly does say? I will tell you why! It has not even entered your thinking that the physical Sun and the physical Moon and the physical Earth were not originally created together in relation to each other as we see them today. How do you know that ELOHIM on the 4th Day did not move them from another location in Heaven and set them in the firmament of the heaven in exactly in the same relationship with the Earth as we do see them today?

    I will tell you why! Such thinking completely destroys your false lunar sabbath beliefs.

    The physical Sun and the physical Moon have a number of duties, but they do not establish the recreation WEEK, and, therefore, they have no authority over the 7th Day of that WEEK which My Messiah made for the Man, that is, HIMSELF. These things YAHWEH ELOHIM reserved for HIMSELF which unfortunately you are unable to see and understand.

    Hoping that you learn to read and chew the cud, I am,
    Sincerely, Latuwr
    Spying, your words above tell me that ye don't understand the Hebrew texts at all.

    Let's back up to Genesis 1:14, 16.

    And God said, Let there be lights [sun and moon] in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them[lights] be for signs/owth/beacons, and for MOEDIM=H4150, and for days, and years:

    See here:http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...=seasons&t=KJV

    And God made two great lights[sun and moon]; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

    http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=1&t=KJV#16

    There are TWO great lights, the SUN and the MOON, the SUN is the GREATER light, and the MOON is a lesser light, and NOT a reflector as you THINK either, and these TWO great lights are for beaconing the MOEDIM as Moses wrote, and David plainly wrote that the MOON, the lesser light determines Yah's MOEDIM Psalms 104:19

    He/Yah appointed the moon for MOEDIM/H4150: the sun knoweth his going down.

    And Yah appointed the moon for MOEDIM on the 4th day.

    http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...the+moon&t=KJV

    Now, WHY do you keep on IGNORING these 2 questions asked of you, because I'm sure everyone reading would like to know how and from what do ye determine ye Satrday Sabbath, without having to depend on a Jew to tell ye when it is .

    Ye never answered these questions below directly either.

    and tell us how and from what do ye determine your Satyrday sabbath every lunar month? Yes, or No?

    And ye NEVER answered this question directly below either.

    Since you THINK that the Jews are correct in keeping a Satyrday Sabbath, then WHY are you and Spying not also keeping and observing their new moons, and feast days along with their postponement rules too?
    A bit of revelation for ye.

    Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

    Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. John 8:19.

    By His name YAH Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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    the gnats straining making it a '''GNAT FIGHT.'''

    the jewish only "Appointed Times", are typically called, "Jewish holidays" but in the Bible are referred to as God's feast days.
    why are these laws obeyed by the religious fanatics?
    when the WHOLE system was destroyed in 70ad

    notice in John 7
    Jesus was not going to the feast and told all he was not going.... however....later He changed His mind and went in secret
    If He was not considering going - why is this jewish feast acceptable to you?

    the truth out is
    The reason why you celebrate these feast is because you were ordered to do so by Herbert Armstrong.
    Armstrong claimed that his church has the only true interpretation of the Word of God, which essentially says that you cannot interpret the Bible yourself.
    So the final authority for members of the Worldwide Church of God were Armstrong’s writings and not the Bible.

    Sabbath: under Armstrongism
    “To break God’s Holy Sabbath is sin and the penalty is eternal death”
    This teaching is apparently derived from the former doctrines of the Seventh Day Adventists and is clearly unbiblical.
    The emphasis on the Sabbath (Saturday) is not supported by the New Testament, + it certainly does not lead to eternal death.

    [ I must admit that teaching this doctrine is a good trick for making the congregation attend church regularly, and that was apparently the intended effect.
    [the tithe were never to help the ''tithers'' Oh NO...but they are essential for the leadership to live as a ''movie mongol'']


    Observance of annual feast days:
    But besides the Sabbath, the Worldwide Church of God required its members to keep a variety of Jewish annual feasts.
    These are the Passover, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, the Feast of Trumpets, and the Day of Atonement.


    H Armstrong takes his justification for these requirements from the Old Testament and Matthew 5:17–18, where Jesus states that he did not come to change the law.
    [a dung verse inserted by man as He changed the law 6 times and failed to always keep the sabbath]
    So under the “Armstrong covenant” the believer is still under the law.

    . It appears that Armstrong was influenced by many other cults at the time, and his doctrines can be refuted in the same way it would prove the Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses wrong.
    However,
    the mixture and a few details were new and for some people Armstrongism appeared easier to accept than Mormonism or Jehova’s Witnesses.
    Millions of Americans have been reached by Armstrong’s messages and even Christians have accepted some of them as plausible interpretations of the Word of God.
    This is the real danger of Armstrongism today and we must keep our eyes open lest we be seduced [by the Cain-ite offspring] to accept interpretations of the Bible that have little to do with the truth.


    remember 1 thing and it will keep you honest is
    the enemy - is very religious just like all Cain-ites aka the offspring of the devil.
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Jesus always met the enemy head-on giving no quarter.
    Oh~You can be sure the contradictions in the Bible didn't get there by accident.
    ''Project Chaos'' didn't start in 2019 in the fake news media-It began at the beginning
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unn1TX6y6hk

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    Lucy, you live by the dictates of your own conscience.

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    why are these laws obeyed by the religious fanatics?
    when the WHOLE system was destroyed in 70ad

    notice in John 7
    Jesus was not going to the feast and told all he was not going.... however....later He changed His mind and went in secret
    If He was not considering going - why is this jewish feast acceptable to you?

    the truth out is
    The reason why you celebrate these feast is because you were ordered to do so by Herbert Armstrong.
    Armstrong claimed that his church has the only true interpretation of the Word of God, which essentially says that you cannot interpret the Bible yourself.
    So the final authority for members of the Worldwide Church of God were Armstrong’s writings and not the Bible.

    Sabbath: under Armstrongism
    “To break God’s Holy Sabbath is sin and the penalty is eternal death”
    This teaching is apparently derived from the former doctrines of the Seventh Day Adventists and is clearly unbiblical.
    The emphasis on the Sabbath (Saturday) is not supported by the New Testament, + it certainly does not lead to eternal death.

    [ I must admit that teaching this doctrine is a good trick for making the congregation attend church regularly, and that was apparently the intended effect.
    [the tithe were never to help the ''tithers'' Oh NO...but they are essential for the leadership to live as a ''movie mongol'']


    Observance of annual feast days:
    But besides the Sabbath, the Worldwide Church of God required its members to keep a variety of Jewish annual feasts.
    These are the Passover, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, the Feast of Trumpets, and the Day of Atonement.


    H Armstrong takes his justification for these requirements from the Old Testament and Matthew 5:17–18, where Jesus states that he did not come to change the law.
    [a dung verse inserted by man as He changed the law 6 times and failed to always keep the sabbath]
    So under the “Armstrong covenant” the believer is still under the law.

    . It appears that Armstrong was influenced by many other cults at the time, and his doctrines can be refuted in the same way it would prove the Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses wrong.
    However,
    the mixture and a few details were new and for some people Armstrongism appeared easier to accept than Mormonism or Jehova’s Witnesses.
    Millions of Americans have been reached by Armstrong’s messages and even Christians have accepted some of them as plausible interpretations of the Word of God.
    This is the real danger of Armstrongism today and we must keep our eyes open lest we be seduced [by the Cain-ite offspring] to accept interpretations of the Bible that have little to do with the truth.


    remember 1 thing and it will keep you honest is
    the enemy - is very religious just like all Cain-ites aka the offspring of the devil.
    Lucy J. ye don't OBEY the True Messiah, and do as He said to do, you live by the dictates of your own conscience.

    This has nothing to do with Herbert Armstrong, he NEVER created the Sabbath Day, Yah Messiah did, and that's WHY He said, that He was the LORD of the Sabbath Day.

    And where in the scriptures are the feast days called the Jewish Feasts as you say?
    A bit of revelation for ye.

    Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

    Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. John 8:19.

    By His name YAH Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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