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    the Old covenant [agreement] versus the GOOD NEWS [ new agreement]

    the old and the new
    The good news that the Messiah has come and that He has ratified the New Covenant which is the legal basis of the Kingdom of God.
    This is one of the most basic foundations

    fruit
    He ratified the new covenant,
    what does ''ratified'' mean?
    sign or give formal consent to
    (a treaty, contract, or agreement), making it officially valid.

    make officially VALID.

    however,
    there are many pew people
    —including some theologians
    —who do not truly grasp the significance of the New Covenant.
    Because of this, they have failed to instill the church with some of the most important, life-changing teachings that are inherent in the New Covenant.
    The result is that many Christians lay claim to the New Covenant, but they actually believe that it is merely a warmed-over Old Covenant

    Failure to distinguish properly between the two covenants has caused many Christians to live according to the Old Covenant, while thinking they are under the New Covenant.
    Because of this, many sincere Christians continue to be troubled by guilt, feelings of failure and inadequacy, and others use the New Covenant to claim the right to sin that grace may abound (Rom. 6:1).
    hello Boys...pointing your way
    The big question is not,
    “Is there life after death?”
    but The greatest question for you and me today is this:
    Is there life now, real life, eternal life, abundant life?
    Yes!
    The true life of Christ, the resurrected life of Jesus alive within our mortal bodies by the Holy Spirit is the immortal, eternal, and abundant life now and forever.
    JOHN 11 v 24-26

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    IMPORTANT TRUTH FEW DISCERN....posted for the law keepers who cannot keep 613 laws

    To be under the law means that one’s sin has not been dealt with in the manner that Father God requires.
    Hence, the law has a case against such people.
    Spying Ken Elijah/guyguy - look at your mistaken belief

    TO THE LAW KEEPERS that cannot keep 613 laws intact.

    facts they have not known.
    When G-d gave the Old Covenant to Israel, Moses himself knew that Israel was incapable of fulfilling its demands.
    In fact, Moses knew that after his death Israel would “act corruptly and turn from the way which I have commanded you” (Deut. 31:29).
    He knew that the Old Covenant would not succeed in bringing righteousness to any of them.
    Because “all have sinned,” no man could come out from “under the law,” not even Moses himself, whose sin prevented him from reaching the Promised Land.

    hello unrighteous [''lets try and keep some of the law''] law keepers.
    see yourselves in true light.
    MOSES KNEW YOU WERE KAPUT.
    Now if Moses himself could not enter the Promised Land, what hope can the Old Covenant give to any of us?
    It is impossible for any man to pay the penalty for his own sin.
    The debt is too great.


    hello oh foolish ones.
    The big question is not,
    “Is there life after death?”
    but The greatest question for you and me today is this:
    Is there life now, real life, eternal life, abundant life?
    Yes!
    The true life of Christ, the resurrected life of Jesus alive within our mortal bodies by the Holy Spirit is the immortal, eternal, and abundant life now and forever.
    JOHN 11 v 24-26

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    dont ever go back, 613 laws - lay in ruins because of THE NEW AGREEMENT

    This is why a New Covenant is needed.
    It is because no man, by his own works, can stand before the divine court and claim innocence.
    The law has a case against everyone.
    Fortunately, Immanuel, has paid the penalty for sin and has initiated another covenant whereby we may obtain grace from the divine court.

    the legals now in place
    Grace (or favor) is a legal term.
    When men brought their controversy to the court, the judge was to determine who was guilty and who was justified.
    The justified one was given grace.
    The court has ruled in his favor.
    Grace means the court found no reason to impose sentence upon him.
    The other man in the controversy was found unjustified or guilty.
    He was then placed “under the law” until full payment should be paid to his victim.

    hello law victims without grace and not justified.
    Spying ''the just'' you boast of as referring to yourself , is a delusion
    - sorry old chum you have been BUSTED.
    you remain a victim of the law and cannot be justified.

    how many times have I posted your min-representation of the covenants
    The Old Covenant gave the law to men on tables of stone by angels.
    The New Covenant writes the law on men’s hearts
    (Heb. 8:10).
    In either case, the law is in effect.
    Under the Old Covenant, the law is applied by an external disciplinarian, who enforces the law upon sinners who rebel against G-d.
    Under the New Covenant, the law is written upon our hearts by the internal action of the Holy Spirit, so that our nature is changed, our minds are renewed, and we are conformed to the image of Christ.

    no wonder you dwell in strife


    The Old Covenant disciplines the flesh. The New Covenant changes the heart.
    The big question is not,
    “Is there life after death?”
    but The greatest question for you and me today is this:
    Is there life now, real life, eternal life, abundant life?
    Yes!
    The true life of Christ, the resurrected life of Jesus alive within our mortal bodies by the Holy Spirit is the immortal, eternal, and abundant life now and forever.
    JOHN 11 v 24-26

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    a tragic thing to be converted to a lie.....

    Under the Old Covenant, the law is a series of commands which men are expected to obey, and if they succeed, then the law has no case against them.
    The problem is that no man yet has succeeded by his own works to be perfectly obedient to the law.
    Hence, the law could give no man grace.
    The Old Covenant attempts to force men by threat of punishment to act righteously toward G-d and our neighbors.
    It fails because it does not deal with the original heart problem but only commands men’s rebellious nature to do what it does not want to do.

    It imposes the will of G-d upon the wills of carnal men, as if to force men to act in ways that are contrary to their natural desires and tendencies.
    -------------------------
    The New Covenant, on the other hand,
    changes our hearts from within, so that we willingly and gladly conform to the divine nature.


    The most important feature of the New Covenant is the fact that it is ABBA'S oath, vow, and promise to the whole earth.
    The success of the New Covenant is not based upon the will of man, nor the ability of men to follow through on their vows, as we see with the Old Covenant.
    No, the New Covenant is based fully upon the ability of Father to fulfill what He has promised.

    He is able to do what He has promised His people

    well there is an easy to understand the difference of the 2 covenants
    and BOYs lots of repentance please
    The big question is not,
    “Is there life after death?”
    but The greatest question for you and me today is this:
    Is there life now, real life, eternal life, abundant life?
    Yes!
    The true life of Christ, the resurrected life of Jesus alive within our mortal bodies by the Holy Spirit is the immortal, eternal, and abundant life now and forever.
    JOHN 11 v 24-26

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    different covenants = different agreements....2 very different things

    any plan of man for his own salvation is doomed to fail.

    From Guilt with G-d to Peace with Messiah
    Scripture presents us with a very pessimistic view of human nature and man’s ability to keep his vows.
    The Old Covenant presented Israel with a plan of salvation that was based upon man’s vows.
    You see, a vow is only good if it is fulfilled.
    [Vows that are broken are not rewarded, but are null and void and bring only condemnation from the law.]

    we are declared righteous in the divine court as if it were so today, even though we are not yet perfected.

    Such righteousness is our present legal status, rendered by the divine court so that we may walk by the Spirit without hindrance, without being dragged back by guilt and fear.
    We are declared righteous even while we are yet growing in grace.

    Many Christians suffer needlessly under the Old Covenant, thinking that their salvation is based upon their vow to G-d, rather than Abba's vow to them.
    Every time they sin, they are overcome with guilt and think they have lost their salvation.
    Many such people cannot cope with this, and so they block it out of their minds.
    Some reach the point where they no longer recognize sin or imperfection.
    Because of their inability to cope with their guilt, they go into denial.
    Such suppression helps them cope with life, but it does not resolve the core problem, nor does it give them understanding of the divine plan.

    The solution is to rest in His word.Math 11 v 28-29-30 -sabbath resting


    John 1:12 says,
    12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
    13 who were born [begotten] not of blood(line), nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
    As with Jesus, so also we are able to be begotten by the Spirit.
    John said that we do not need to remain children of the flesh. [the law]
    Those who accept Jesus as the Christ and as the Mediator of the New Covenant have the right to become children of God, even as Jesus was a Son.
    the OLD LAW is for ''children of the flesh''= these people need to be ''cast out'' - as the law flesh dwellers.

    The New Covenant shows us a different path.
    Our father made a vow or oath by His own will to make us His people—that is, to save us.
    something the law flesh man cannot do
    The big question is not,
    “Is there life after death?”
    but The greatest question for you and me today is this:
    Is there life now, real life, eternal life, abundant life?
    Yes!
    The true life of Christ, the resurrected life of Jesus alive within our mortal bodies by the Holy Spirit is the immortal, eternal, and abundant life now and forever.
    JOHN 11 v 24-26

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    the Old laws are Kaput ...............why?

    The New Covenant’s “chosen people” are the sons that are begotten of Father by the action of the Holy Spirit through the “seed” of the word (gospel).
    This is in direct contrast to the chosen people of the Old Covenant, who were begotten by men.

    The Witness of Peter
    Peter and John understood this distinction well, but for some reason many Christians today do not seem to have much comprehension of it.

    1 Peter 1:22 says,
    22 Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love [agape] one another from the heart,
    Why? How do we obtain agape, the love of God?
    23 for you have been born again [anagennao, “begotten again”], not of seed which is perishable [mortal], but imperishable [immortal], that is, through the living and abiding word of God.
    Nicodemus - had to be taught the new covenant

    Nicodemus was ignorant of this,[ the new birth into the new covenant] perhaps because he was unaware of the manner in which Immanuel was begotten of Father.
    He had no frame of reference, because Judaism did not teach such things, nor did the Old Covenant concern itself with such matters.

    Some religious creeds are enslaved to laws of the O.T. and its teaching, as they are in bondage to the Old Covenant as much as the Israelites were in times past.
    I have seen firsthand the detrimental effect that such teaching has had upon them.

    When THE PEWS understand the two identities (flesh[law] and spirit [good news]) and learn how to identify THEMSELVES with the spiritual ''I'' - THE PEWS can then truly begin to live by the New Covenant.
    If THE PEWS do not understand this basic New Covenant truth, and remain under the LAW THEY will always identify with the flesh man and believe it is called to receive salvation.
    ALAS

    the New Covenant Inheritance
    The Old Covenant inheritance was limited to the earth.
    Specifically, Israel’s inheritance was the land of Canaan, although they also colonized other parts of the earth.
    Even so, the Old Covenant could give them only an earthly inheritance.
    The New Covenant inheritance included the whole earth, but heaven as well.

    When IMMANUEL died on the cross to pay that debt, suddenly ABBA owed us that heavenly garment.
    FATHER became indebted to us, for He owes us a heavenly garment.
    As creditors, we were given the Spirit as a pledge, or as collateral on that loan so that we may enjoy the fruit and gifts of the Spirit while we wait for Him to pay His debt to us.
    When Immanuel paid the debt on the cross, Abba then became obligated (indebted to us) to give back those heavenly garments.
    But Abba chose to keep those garments until the second coming of Immanuel.
    His debt to us was secured by giving us the Holy Spirit as His pledge—collateral on the loan of that heavenly garment.

    ABBA's debt will be paid to us at the coming of the “sun of righteousness,” when Immanuel comes to reconcile this debt.
    At that time, we will receive our inheritance as co-heirs with Christ, having the authority to minister to Father in the heavenly Sanctuary and also to minister to the rest of mankind that remain bound to the earth.

    amen
    The big question is not,
    “Is there life after death?”
    but The greatest question for you and me today is this:
    Is there life now, real life, eternal life, abundant life?
    Yes!
    The true life of Christ, the resurrected life of Jesus alive within our mortal bodies by the Holy Spirit is the immortal, eternal, and abundant life now and forever.
    JOHN 11 v 24-26

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    THE GOOD NEWS IS THOSE SPIRITUAL LAWS.... and nothing to do with the LAW of Moses

    * the spiritual law of IMPARTATION.
    TO GIVE THE FRUITS AND GIFTS to his Ekklesia - math 11 V28 29 30

    * the spiritual law of RELEASE
    JOHN 10 V 10

    * the spiritual law of RESPONSE
    to pray and have answered prayers.

    * the spiritual law of EXPECTATION
    to always expect the best.

    * the spiritual law of RECEIVING
    to give first to receive.

    * the spiritual law of EXPRESSING
    [essential knowledge] His presence without shame, fear, hesitation or unbelief
    is such a key determinant to partaking of His glorious power and blessings.

    * the spiritual law of CONNECTION
    the vine and its branches.

    * the spiritual law of CONTAGIOUS EXPERIENCES
    to manifest His presence and will TODAY

    * the spiritual law of ASSOCIATION
    to learn how to imitate

    * the spiritual law of INFLUENCE
    to come under the ''covering of christ'' - the robe of escape

    * the spiritual law of ATMOSPHERE
    with signs and wonders from the WORD we speak

    * the spiritual law of LIGHT
    TO GAIN TRUE KNOWLEDGE AND TO BE DELIVERED FROM ALL RELIGIOUS DECEPTIONS


    ALL OF THESE LAWS ARE TO BE LEARNT AND THEN WALKED IN..
    TO IMITATE the power of Christ
    = notice -
    none are from the Old agreement - as THEY ARE ALL SPIRITUAL [ not flesh]
    The big question is not,
    “Is there life after death?”
    but The greatest question for you and me today is this:
    Is there life now, real life, eternal life, abundant life?
    Yes!
    The true life of Christ, the resurrected life of Jesus alive within our mortal bodies by the Holy Spirit is the immortal, eternal, and abundant life now and forever.
    JOHN 11 v 24-26

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    lucy smith = lucy butterfly [metamophoo]

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    * the spiritual law of IMPARTATION.
    TO GIVE THE FRUITS AND GIFTS to his Ekklesia - math 11 V28 29 30

    * the spiritual law of RELEASE
    JOHN 10 V 10

    * the spiritual law of RESPONSE
    to pray and have answered prayers.

    * the spiritual law of EXPECTATION
    to always expect the best.

    * the spiritual law of RECEIVING
    to give first to receive.

    * the spiritual law of EXPRESSING
    [essential knowledge] His presence without shame, fear, hesitation or unbelief
    is such a key determinant to partaking of His glorious power and blessings.

    * the spiritual law of CONNECTION
    the vine and its branches.

    * the spiritual law of CONTAGIOUS EXPERIENCES
    to manifest His presence and will TODAY

    * the spiritual law of ASSOCIATION
    to learn how to imitate

    * the spiritual law of INFLUENCE
    to come under the ''covering of christ'' - the robe of escape

    * the spiritual law of ATMOSPHERE
    with signs and wonders from the WORD we speak

    * the spiritual law of LIGHT
    TO GAIN TRUE KNOWLEDGE AND TO BE DELIVERED FROM ALL RELIGIOUS DECEPTIONS


    ALL OF THESE LAWS ARE TO BE LEARNT AND THEN WALKED IN..
    TO IMITATE the power of Christ
    = notice -
    none are from the Old agreement - as THEY ARE ALL SPIRITUAL [ not flesh]




    LUCY SMITH- THE OVERCOMER in the power of His might

    A beautiful tale of persevering and overcoming.
    Similar to Narnia, the story will appeal to children from age 7 to adults.
    Lucy Smith aka Lucy Butterfly finds herself in a vivid dream adventure.
    The challenges she faces help her to grow in bravery, thoughtfulness and kindness.

    The dream adventure is interrupted as she returns to her normal life and gets an opportunity to use these new skills in the small everyday moments that then make a big difference to those around her.
    The final chapters are very touching and adults will see layers of meaning in the authors carefully chosen language


    amen
    rhema word for today
    The big question is not,
    “Is there life after death?”
    but The greatest question for you and me today is this:
    Is there life now, real life, eternal life, abundant life?
    Yes!
    The true life of Christ, the resurrected life of Jesus alive within our mortal bodies by the Holy Spirit is the immortal, eternal, and abundant life now and forever.
    JOHN 11 v 24-26

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    Thumbs up The Boarding Of Lucy!

    Hello Lucy,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    You wrote this on this thread:

    "Because of this, many sincere Christians continue to be troubled by guilt, feelings of failure and inadequacy, and others use the New Covenant to claim the right to sin that grace may abound (Rom. 6:1).
    hello Boys...pointing your way
    "

    Thank you for the warning! Is not this exactly what you do in claiming your freedom from observing the Sabbath Day to keep it holy? Do you not claim to be under grace and therefore you have the freedom to engage in sin? Why would you be so bold to use the words of the Apostle Paul when he is actually writing of your apostasy?

    Thanking you in advance for your answer, I am,
    Sincerely, Latuwr
    The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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    Thumbs up Black And Blue!

    Hello Lucy,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    You also wrote this:

    "To be under the law means that one’s sin has not been dealt with in the manner that Father God requires.
    Hence, the law has a case against such people.
    Spying Ken Elijah/guyguy - look at your mistaken belief

    TO THE LAW KEEPERS that cannot keep 613 laws intact
    .
    "

    Both the sin of ImAHebrew and myself has been dealt with exactly as the Law requires. The Law requires that deliberate sinners be executed. Both ImAHebrew and myself claim that we have been executed with Messiah Yahushua on HIS Cross.

    You unfortunately cannot make this claim because you continue to forget the Sabbath Day to keep it holy as do all other continued sinners. If you did indeed die with Messiah Yahushua on HIS Cross, how is it that the sinner in you, Lucy, the Sabbath Breaker, still thrives and continues to exist?

    Thanking you in advance for your answer, I am,
    Sincerely, Latuwr
    The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spying View Post
    Hello Lucy,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    You also wrote this:

    "To be under the law means that one’s sin has not been dealt with in the manner that Father God requires.
    Hence, the law has a case against such people.
    Spying Ken Elijah/guyguy - look at your mistaken belief

    TO THE LAW KEEPERS that cannot keep 613 laws intact
    .
    "

    Both the sin of ImAHebrew and myself has been dealt with exactly as the Law requires. The Law requires that deliberate sinners be executed. Both ImAHebrew and myself claim that we have been executed with Messiah Yahushua on HIS Cross.

    You unfortunately cannot make this claim because you continue to forget the Sabbath Day to keep it holy as do all other continued sinners. If you did indeed die with Messiah Yahushua on HIS Cross, how is it that the sinner in you, Lucy, the Sabbath Breaker, still thrives and continues to exist?

    Thanking you in advance for your answer, I am,
    Sincerely, Latuwr
    Really Spying, or is it make believe?

    Both the sin of ImAHebrew and myself has been dealt with exactly as the Law requires. The Law requires that deliberate sinners be executed. Both ImAHebrew and myself claim that we have been executed with Messiah Yahushua on HIS Cross.
    When have you literally died the first physical death as Messiah, and when did you shed your own blood to atone for your own sin without Yah Messiah?

    And you claim that ye don't believe in substitutionalism? Yea right.
    A bit of revelation for ye.

    Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

    Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. John 8:19.

    By His name YAH Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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