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    for 2000yrs the Jews could never FIND MESSIAH in the law of Moses nor their prophets

    LET THE RECORDS BE SET STRAIGHT [ the bible is a corrupted text book]

    The Jewish people have hunted and hunted for this illusive Messiah and the clues - but none can find this mystery person
    not one.
    Many Fundamentalist Christians fervently believe this and insist one does not have to look that far into Scripture to uncover a hint to the main personality of Christianity:
    NT reveals this

    And He said unto them,
    These are the words which I spoke unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me. Luke 24:44.
    Deuteronomy 18: 18-19
    They will argue that none other than Jesus was that prophet as renowned as Moses and if we do not head his words, we are in big trouble.
    In fact, they take their New Testament seriously and thus find support there with this quotation:
    “For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your G-d raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
    And it shall come to pass, every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.”

    Acts 3:22

    If Deut. 18 is talking specifically about Jesus, I think we are entitled to ask for proof other than just the New Testament's say-so.
    Does the passage in Deut. 18 exclusively point to one lone prophet?
    Could Samuel fit into that passage?
    Could Isaiah?
    Could Ezekiel,
    Could Jeremiah,
    Could Hosea, and Could Zechariah, for that matter?
    “Then the Lord put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the Lord said unto me, Behold, I have put My words in thy mouth.”
    THE JEWS have not believed that quote in Lk 24.v.44 for 2000yrs
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Why did Christianity become another religion that is dominated by men and discriminates against, even persecutes, women
    Contrary to mainstream belief, Jesus did not discriminate against women but wanted to raise them up to a status of complete equality with men.

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    the jewish Messiah had these works to do,

    it should be relatively simple for the Jews to understand this verse so often quoted by verse quoters

    NT reveals this
    And He said unto them,
    These are the words which I spoke unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me. Luke 24:44.
    well it didn't seem to work for the Jews because there is a specific criteria

    These specific criteria are as follows:
    1) He must be Jewish. (Deuteronomy. 17:15, Numbers 24:17)

    2) He must be a member of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10)
    A direct male descendant of King David (I Chronicles 17:11, Psalms 89:29-38, Jeremiah 33:17, II Samuel 7:12-16) and King Solomon.

    (I Chronicles 22:10, II Chronicles 7:18)

    3) He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel. (Isaiah 27:12-13, Isaiah 11:12)

    4) He must rebuild the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. (Micah 4:1)

    5) He must bring world peace. (Isaiah 2:4, Isaiah 11:6, Micah 4:3)

    6) He must influence the entire world to acknowledge and serve one G-d. (Isaiah 11:9, Isaiah 40:5, Zephaniah 3:9)

    All of these criteria for the Messiah are best stated in chapter 37:24-28 of the book of Ezekiel:
    “and My servant David will be a king over them, and they will all have one shepherd, and they will walk in My ordinances, and keep My statutes, and observe them, and they shall live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant...and I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant and I will set my sanctuary in their midst forever and My dwelling place shall be with them, and I will be their G-d and they will be My people.
    And the nations will know that I am the Lord who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forever.”
    (Ezekiel 37:24-28)

    Emphasis: If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then He cannot be the Messiah!
    yet we are told
    NT reveals this
    And He said unto them,
    These are the words which I spoke unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me. Luke 24:44.
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Why did Christianity become another religion that is dominated by men and discriminates against, even persecutes, women
    Contrary to mainstream belief, Jesus did not discriminate against women but wanted to raise them up to a status of complete equality with men.

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    according to the Jews
    Jesus Could Not Have Been The Jewish Messiah
    why not?
    A careful analysis of these criteria shows us that, although Jesus was Jewish, He did not fulfill any of the other criteria.
    An examination of the contradictory accounts of Jesus’ genealogy demonstrates a number of difficulties with the fulfillment of the second criterion.
    Specifically, the New Testament claims that Jesus did not have a physical father.
    The Jewish Scriptures, however, clearly states that a person’s genealogy and tribal membership is transmitted exclusively through one’s physical father
    (Numbers 1:18, Jeremiah 33:17).

    Therefore, Jesus cannot possibly be a descendant of the tribe of Judah nor of King David and King Solomon.
    There are even further problems with any attempts to use the Jewish Scriptures to prove Jesus’ genealogy through Joseph, the husband of Mary (Jesus’ mother).
    For the New Testament claims that Joseph was a descendant of King Jeconiah, who in the Hebrew Bible was cursed to never have a descendant “sitting on the throne of David and ruling any more in Judah”
    (Jeremiah 22:30).
    Joseph’s genealogy, even if it were transmittable to Jesus, would only serve to further disqualify Jesus as the Messiah.

    YET WE ARE TOLD
    NT reveals this
    And He said unto them,
    These are the words which I spoke unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me. Luke 24:44.
    the verse is NOT WORKING hey?
    also
    Jesus was never ''''Jewish.'''''
    [do some research to find out why]
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Why did Christianity become another religion that is dominated by men and discriminates against, even persecutes, women
    Contrary to mainstream belief, Jesus did not discriminate against women but wanted to raise them up to a status of complete equality with men.

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    obviously a dung verse added to the N.T.

    YET WE ARE TOLD
    NT reveals this
    And He said unto them,
    These are the words which I spoke unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me. Luke 24:44.
    A LIE
    IT DIDNT HAPPEN


    the Christian understanding of the Messiah and Jesus differs greatly from the Jewish biblical view.
    HOW DID IT HAPPEN?
    These differences developed as a result of the Church’s influence during the time of the Emperor Constantine and the Council of Nicaea that issued the Nicene Creed in 325 CE.

    The Messiah was never meant to be an object of worship.
    His primary mission and accomplishment is to bring salvation to the lost captives, world love, world joy world peace and to fill the world with the knowledge and awareness of LIFE IN THE SPIRIT ordained by His Father He referred to as ABBA.


    Jesus came to set the captive free from their prison house of YAHWEH's aka - the law of sin and death.
    if you think on it the O.T. YAHWEH's would be '' the enemy''
    So why would the enemy GIVE OUT CLUES and write about a future SALVATION AND a future FREEDOM?
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Why did Christianity become another religion that is dominated by men and discriminates against, even persecutes, women
    Contrary to mainstream belief, Jesus did not discriminate against women but wanted to raise them up to a status of complete equality with men.

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    the Jews for Judiasm religion has a ''ministry'' called.

    COUNTER-MISSIONARY A SURVIVAL SEMINAR
    they learn how to survive the onslaught of ''Christian Missionaries''
    - [ I applaud them for that]~~~ lol~~~



    ALL RELIGION IS A CURSE.
    A religious man with a conviction is a hard man to change.
    Tell him you disagree and he turns away.
    Show him facts or figures and he questions your sources.
    Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point.

    We have all experienced the futility of trying to change a strong conviction, especially if the convinced person has some investment in his belief.
    We are familiar with the variety of ingenious defenses with which people protect their convictions, managing to keep them unscathed through the most devastating attacks.
    But man’s resourcefulness goes beyond simply protecting a belief.

    its the *CULT*ure of the program called the RELIGIOUS MATRIX and few wish to be UNPLUGGED.

    THE JEWISH SCHOLARS CLAIM
    Paul AN APOSTLE and the New Testament author SAYS that Jesus fulfilled many prophecies connected to the Hebrew Scriptures (so-called Old Testament) and a true believer will easily be able to see them.
    The gospel according to Matthew, in particular, attempts to cross-reference the miraculous birth, deeds and proclamations attributed to Jesus with relevant passages found in Tanach.
    What are the differences in Christianity vs Judaism?

    Closer scrutiny, however, reveals a great conspiracy and tampering of the evidence.
    Not one verse from Tanach proves the Messiahship of Jesus.


    REALLY??? well not really really.
    YET WE ARE TOLD
    NT reveals this
    And He said unto them,
    These are the words which I spoke unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me.
    Luke 24:44.
    On the contrary, our Jewish sages, for two millennium have had ample time to analyse and decipher all 22,000+ verses in Tanach

    THEIR FINDS ARE
    THEY have concluded that Jesus did not fulfill any of its prophecies, nor are there any passages that unambiguously allude to his life or ministry.
    On the contrary, we will discover how the New Testament distorts and contorts Tanach to make it “bend” to their a prior agenda to “prove” their beliefs about Jesus.
    BTW
    It never pays to be a ''Christian verse quoter'' - and look extremely unlearned - from lack of knowledge.
    Pews perish from it.,

    !!!yes !!!
    the Ekklesia In Christ do need a COUNTER-MISSIONARY A SURVIVAL SEMINAR to live outside the Christian Box.

    question
    is JESUS REAL
    - yes siree but nothing like the bible really tells.
    He is personal - Just for you - just for me and HE alone SAVES the Lost and cries ''come out from her my people'' aka all false concepts of His life and ministry.
    that is why He forewarned to only '''FOLLOW ME''' as HE IS REAL but not too many verses reveal this in the flawed book
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Why did Christianity become another religion that is dominated by men and discriminates against, even persecutes, women
    Contrary to mainstream belief, Jesus did not discriminate against women but wanted to raise them up to a status of complete equality with men.

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    Jesus is the way

    therefore THE WAY into LIFE would not be found under the contradictory advise of Yahweh's gods who changed upon whim of temper tantrums
    The changing scriptures i.e. a law one day but not the next, the OT gods of changes...
    so SAD TO SEE
    ''One of the most frequently used phrases in the whole "Word of God" is "and the anger of Yahweh was kindled."
    A DESPOT


    JESUS DRAWS HIS PEOPLE TO HIMSELF - HE CHOSE YOU - you never chose Him.
    When this happens His people receive the Spirit of Revelation that now will open the eyes of our understanding.
    He says
    ''It is My good pleasure to reveal all things to My Beloved''.

    THE EKKLESIA BECOMES HIS WORKMANSHIP - this is up in your face, personal unique and very intimate to our needs as lost souls needing full redemption.
    He alone begins the fire of baptism aka the big religious SEWERAGE clean up.
    He alone removes everything in us not too His liking as we surrender to his will and lordship.
    Few of these truths are found in the bible... however the clue is THE OVERCOMER RECEIVE THEIR HIDDEN MANNA
    Jesus NEVER WROTE A WORD that has been recorded by Himself.
    why not?
    because the truth alters for each saint,
    my truth maybe a deliverance from fears
    while another saint [especially men] may find their truth is a deliverance from porn or sexual abomination
    while the truth does remain the same, it also alters to fit the saint with sin problems that need fixing by the MASTER FIXER = math 11 v 28 29 30

    yet the divine workmanship remains till the power of Christ is imparted into its fullness and atlast our TRUE SPIRITUAL MAN is in control.
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Why did Christianity become another religion that is dominated by men and discriminates against, even persecutes, women
    Contrary to mainstream belief, Jesus did not discriminate against women but wanted to raise them up to a status of complete equality with men.

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    well at last we may have a clue???

    53rd chapter, Isaiah writes,

    He was despised, shunned by men, A man of suffering, familiar with disease.
    As one who hid his face from us, He was despised, we held him of no account.
    Yet it was our sickness that he was bearing, our suffering that he endured.
    We accounted him plagued, smitten and afflicted by God; But he was wounded because of our sins, crushed because of our iniquities.
    He bore the chastisement that made us whole, and by his bruises we were healed.
    We all went astray like sheep, each going his own way; And the LORD visited upon him the guilt of all of us. (Isaiah 53:3-6, JPS)
    its Jesus the Christians claim - Jesus quoted it.??
    Rabbis disagree with this interpretation.
    Despite strong objections from conservative Christian apologists, the prevailing rabbinic interpretation of Isaiah 53 ascribes the servant to the nation of Israel who silently endured unimaginable suffering at the hands of its gentile oppressors.

    Suffering-Servant-636x384.jpg

    Isaiah 53, which is the fourth of four renowned Servant Songs, is umbilically connected to its preceding chapters.
    The servant in each of the three previous Servant Songs is plainly and repeatedly identified as the nation of Israel.

    TAKEN IN THE CONTEXT of all the servant songs
    the rabbinic interpretation of Isaiah 53 fits in seamlessly with its surrounding chapters which all clearly depict the nation of Israel as despised, afflicted (54:6-11), and oppressed without cause(52:4) at the hands of the gentile nations.
    According to the most ancient rabbinic commentaries, the identification of Israel as God’s servant is evident throughout the four Servant Songs.
    As such, rabbinic sources from the Talmudic period identify the servant of Isaiah 53 in the plain sense as the Jewish people, consistent with the previous three Servant Songs.

    interestingly, the traditional Church did not completely satisfy the Christian mind with their stock interpretation of Isaiah 53.
    There is, therefore, a consensus among many modern, liberal Christian commentators which is in accord with this prevailing rabbinic exegesis on this most debated chapter.

    SO NOTHING IS CLEAR and unbelief still remains despite the verse that says
    And He said unto them,
    These are the words which I spoke unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me.
    Luke 24:44.
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Why did Christianity become another religion that is dominated by men and discriminates against, even persecutes, women
    Contrary to mainstream belief, Jesus did not discriminate against women but wanted to raise them up to a status of complete equality with men.

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    Luke 24 v 44 SEEMS TO CLEAR - NOT

    And He said unto them,
    These are the words which I spoke unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me.
    Luke 24:44.

    Some background on Isaiah 53
    Isaiah 53 is a well-known passage of Scripture to the avid student of the Bible.
    But most people are not avid Bible students and have not read this controversial passage.

    A recent informal survey illustrates this point.
    One hundred Jews on the streets of Tel Aviv were asked, Who do you think the 53rd chapter of Isaiah describes?”
    Most were unfamiliar with the passage and were asked to read it before answering.
    After doing so, many conceded that they did not know to whom it referred.

    Some thought it was Jesus, but when it sunk in that the passage was a citation from the Tenach, they were put off.
    Others shrugged off the passage as too difficult to understand.
    Some repeated what they had heard from Jews more religious than themselves: that it referred to the Jewish people or perhaps even the gentile nations.
    All seemed to think that whomever it referred to, it wouldn’t make much difference in their daily lives.

    NOW FOR THE DISCIPLES.
    At the time Jesus' own disciples didn't view Isaiah 53 as a messianic prophecy.

    For example, after Peter identifies Jesus as the Messiah (Matt. 16:16),
    * he is informed that Jesus will be killed (Matt. 16:21).
    * His response: "God forbid it, lord! This shall never happen to you" (Matt. 16:22).
    See, also, Mk. 9:31-32; Mk. 16:10-11; Jn. 20:9.
    * Even Jesus didn't see Isaiah 53 as crucial to His messianic claims
    ASK?
    - why else did He call the Jews children of the devil for not believing in Him before the alleged resurrection (Jn. 8:39-47)?
    - And why did He later request that God "remove this cup from Me" (Mk. 14:36)
    - didn't He know that a "removal of the cup" would violate the gentile understanding of Isaiah 53?

    The conclusion is NOTHING is clear regarding Jesus as the Messiah to the Jewish mind then or now.

    THEREFORE that verse is an inserted lie.
    And He said unto them,
    These are the words which I spoke unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me.
    Luke 24:44.
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Why did Christianity become another religion that is dominated by men and discriminates against, even persecutes, women
    Contrary to mainstream belief, Jesus did not discriminate against women but wanted to raise them up to a status of complete equality with men.

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    Lucy, at least THEY will not be like you.

    Lucy, at least the Jews will not be like you. Eventually, they will believe EVERYTHING that Moses wrote concerning Yeshua. You see, you are like those who could not "see" that the Word of Elohim is LIKENED to a SEED (Luke 8:11), just like you cannot fathom that Living Water (Numbers 19:17) is LIKENED to Eternal Life (John 4:10-14 & The Spirit of Life-Living Water - John 7:38-39). Ken
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    Thumbs up

    Quote Originally Posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Lucy, at least the Jews will not be like you. Eventually, they will believe EVERYTHING that Moses wrote concerning Yeshua. You see, you are like those who could not "see" that the Word of Elohim is LIKENED to a SEED (Luke 8:11), just like you cannot fathom that Living Water (Numbers 19:17) is LIKENED to Eternal Life (John 4:10-14 & The Spirit of Life-Living Water - John 7:38-39). Ken
    Ken,

    This post of yours above is a very well spiritual truth, and ye adding in the scripture links for all to read is a nice touch too.
    A bit of revelation for ye.

    Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

    Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. John 8:19.

    By His name YAH Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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    Excuses and more excuses imhebrew

    Quote Originally Posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Lucy, at least the Jews will not be like you. Eventually, they will believe EVERYTHING that Moses wrote concerning Yeshua. You see, you are like those who could not "see" that the Word of Elohim is LIKENED to a SEED (Luke 8:11), just like you cannot fathom that Living Water (Numbers 19:17) is LIKENED to Eternal Life (John 4:10-14 & The Spirit of Life-Living Water - John 7:38-39). Ken
    THE SEED DIED IN 70ad.
    they cannot find any verse to convince them the Messiah has come.
    not one verse.
    therefore luke 24 v 44 is an outright lie.
    He said unto them,
    These are the words which I spoke unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me.
    Luke 24:44.
    infact ImHebrew
    you cannot get '' the sabbath day correct'' with your gnat fight with elijah
    DONT BLOW YOUR TRUMPET to loud
    you cannot find reconcilIation upon ''' the seed''' for A SABBATH DAY from the law or the prophets
    your Gnat fight goes for pages and proves nothing as none are satisfied with '' a day'' for rest
    what a joke

    it is possible that you can turn any verse to a '''seed'' to suit your personal theory..
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Why did Christianity become another religion that is dominated by men and discriminates against, even persecutes, women
    Contrary to mainstream belief, Jesus did not discriminate against women but wanted to raise them up to a status of complete equality with men.

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    there are NO favourites in christ nor in the gospel goodnews

    as Jesus came to set the captives free
    Jesus came not to judge but to save
    Jesus said to Peter 3 times ''FEED MY SHEEP''
    THE TRUTH OUT IS
    Jesus never blinded anyone, - but healed the blind.
    - nor gave anyone a spirit of slumber - that would be against the message of goodwill to all men
    - nor tried to make anyone jealous.- that doesnt have the essence of the holy spirit of love joy and peace within it

    THE LOST included all men - and it is all men HE CAME TO SAVE,

    The commission to preach the gospel was first given to Jews.
    They preached to their own kinsmen and later to Gentiles.
    There is no indication in the N.T. that Jewish believers in Jesus alone should fulfill this task.
    The commission is given to the whole church – to all believers – independent of their ethnic background.
    Thus there is nothing that hinders PREACHING.


    the Law is not the way to salvation – for either Jews or Gentiles
    the N.T. makes it absolutely clear that nobody will be saved by keeping THE law of Moses. - not one.


    When Jesus gave the Great Commission to his disciples, they were told to start in Jerusalem (among Jews) and continue to the ends of the earth (among
    Jews and Gentiles) (Acts 1:8).
    no one was to be made ''blind to the gospel, nor made jealous, nor made to slumber for 2000yrs'' +

    Others may well have added their defiled version to the gospel BUT NOT MESSIAH.

    WHY WOULD SOMEONE SAY ''JESUS REJECTED THE JEWS'' WHEN HE CAME TO SET ALL THE CAPTIVES FREE and never came to JUDGE but to save
    To go into the world and preach the good will of His Father,.
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Why did Christianity become another religion that is dominated by men and discriminates against, even persecutes, women
    Contrary to mainstream belief, Jesus did not discriminate against women but wanted to raise them up to a status of complete equality with men.

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    Lucy J.

    therefore luke 24 v 44 is an outright lie.




    He said unto them,
    These are the words which I spoke unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me.
    Luke 24:44. infact ImHebrew
    you cannot get '' the sabbath day correct'' with your gnat fight with elijah
    DONT BLOW YOUR TRUMPET to loud
    Lucy J. why to ye Jezebel ALL of the scriptures is a lie that reproves and corrects ye, and I thought that ye did not read my posts, oh what another one of ye LIES.

    PS: Lucy Jezebel, there is NO fight over the seventh day Sabbath, and ye might want to show us PROOF that ye SUNSDAY ye keep as being a scriptural day of rest from a week of real work, but then Jezebel has never really done a days work in her life has she.
    A bit of revelation for ye.

    Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

    Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. John 8:19.

    By His name YAH Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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    there was NO hinderance placed upon Jews via the gospel

    the gospel was there and Jesus called all whom He will into it,
    None come to the gospel by themselves, thinking it was '' a good idea at the time '' - not one,

    Jesus draws all men to Himself John 12:32
    that includes each ethnic nation no nation is exempt
    ofcourse all manner of ''''teaching'' comes from others [ not Messiah the anointed Saviour ]- why even the Catholic Church teaches that Jews do not need to Believe the gospel in order to be saved:

    Really~~~

    The Gospel is NOT VEILED. [ as some say]
    Nor are people ''blinded'' as some say,
    that type of wicked deed is not from the Holy Spirit of life and peace.

    When Messiah said '' it is finished,'' and great earthquake happened.
    THE '''VEIL''' in the jewish temple was cut in 2 - opening the WAY to the Father for all who will believe.

    THE REASON why the jews cannot find Jesus as Messiah in their O.T. is because He is not there.
    He cannot be found in Moses nor the prophets because HE did not fulfil their own written prophecies.

    JEWS WERE CAPTIVES to the O.T. Law of sin and death - why would their CAPTOR [aka Jesus as 1 of the O.T. Yahs] set them free after 1500 years of slavery.

    hmmmm is this what happened?
    Did Jesus say to the Jews
    '' Oh My, I have you held captive, AS YOUR YAH GOD to all my cruel unjust religious system of abuse, but now, I repent i want you set free,
    so
    now i come soon to you as the Son of Man NOT YAHS and show you how kind i am.
    I have repented of my evi as your Yah god and now i set you free''

    the truth is
    JESUS WAS OUTSIDE that system, where death ruled those people and kept them captive.
    THE TORAH OBSERVANCE
    The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance.
    The Torah states that all mitzvot (commandments) remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet.
    (Deut. 13:1-4)

    Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable.
    (see John 1:45 and 9:16, Acts 3:22 and 7:37)
    For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"


    Jesus doesn't co-habit with satan
    It was satan alone WHO held the key of authority over death, prior the cross.
    Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the O.T Yahweh?
    Why did Christianity become another religion that is dominated by men and discriminates against, even persecutes, women
    Contrary to mainstream belief, Jesus did not discriminate against women but wanted to raise them up to a status of complete equality with men.

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    Tell us some more LIES Lucy J.

    Quote Originally Posted by LucySmith View Post
    the gospel was there and Jesus called all whom He will into it,
    None come to the gospel by themselves, thinking it was '' a good idea at the time '' - not one,


    that includes each ethnic nation no nation is exempt
    ofcourse all manner of ''''teaching'' comes from others [ not Messiah the anointed Saviour ]- why even the Catholic Church teaches that Jews do not need to Believe the gospel in order to be saved:

    Really~~~

    The Gospel is NOT VEILED. [ as some say]
    Nor are people ''blinded'' as some say,
    that type of wicked deed is not from the Holy Spirit of life and peace.

    When Messiah said '' it is finished,'' and great earthquake happened.
    THE '''VEIL''' in the jewish temple was cut in 2 - opening the WAY to the Father for all who will believe.

    THE REASON why the jews cannot find Jesus as Messiah in their O.T. is because He is not there.
    He cannot be found in Moses nor the prophets because HE did not fulfil their own written prophecies.

    JEWS WERE CAPTIVES to the O.T. Law of sin and death - why would their CAPTOR [aka Jesus as 1 of the O.T. Yahs] set them free after 1500 years of slavery.

    hmmmm is this what happened?
    Did Jesus say to the Jews
    '' Oh My, I have you held captive, AS YOUR YAH GOD to all my cruel unjust religious system of abuse, but now, I repent i want you set free,
    so
    now i come soon to you as the Son of Man NOT YAHS and show you how kind i am.
    I have repented of my evi as your Yah god and now i set you free''

    the truth is
    JESUS WAS OUTSIDE that system, where death ruled those people and kept them captive.
    THE TORAH OBSERVANCE
    The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance.
    The Torah states that all mitzvot (commandments) remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet.
    (Deut. 13:1-4)

    Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable.
    (see John 1:45 and 9:16, Acts 3:22 and 7:37)
    For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"


    Jesus doesn't co-habit with satan
    It was satan alone WHO held the key of authority over death, prior the cross.
    Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil
    Lucy J.

    Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable.
    (see John 1:45 and 9:16, Acts 3:22 and 7:37)
    For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"
    Jesus NO WHERE states or says in these texts that the Torah or commandments is no longer applicable, and these are YOUR OWN WORDS OF MISINTERPRETATION of these texts as ye do all of the scriptures ye quote.

    JESUS WAS OUTSIDE that system, where death ruled those people and kept them captive.
    THE TORAH OBSERVANCE
    Jesus was not outside that system either, see Galatians 4:4.

    http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...+the+law&t=KJV
    A bit of revelation for ye.

    Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

    Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. John 8:19.

    By His name YAH Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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